VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Gorton_Tubster]

Extra work for the refs
This will be fun


The IFAB have voted unanimously in favour of amending Law 12.2. The amendment means goalkeepers, from next season, will have eight seconds to release the ball before the opposing team is awarded a corner kick. On-field referees will be aided in their decision-making by a visual five-second countdown

Again!? We used to have a 6 second rule. Then a 5 steps rule or something.

I get the distinct feeling we're going round in circles with the rules, especially if it's true Wenger wants the daylight rule bringing back... As if it will solve offsides.

Jeez these people in charge of our game who put them there. They are blimey idiots.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Jeez these people in charge of our game who put them there. They are blimey idiots.

Well, they clearly never paid to watch a game of football because they have no idea what is important to match-going fans.

In the words of the great Douglas Adams: "That’s right,” shouted Vroomfondel, “we demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"

 

[hertsblue]

Only PGMOL can make such a mess of it:

The Football Association has said the record eight-minute VAR stoppage during Bournemouth's FA Cup fifth-round win against Wolves was caused by a congested penalty area.

It came during the first weekend of the semi-automated offside system being trialled in English football, which is supposed to reduce the decision time by 30 seconds in close offside calls.

The officials were unable to rely on that technology during the check, and needed to revert to manually drawn lines before disallowing Bournemouth defender Milos Kerkez's 35th-minute goal.

Fellow defender Dean Huijsen was adjudged to have been in an offside position as Kerkez's effort brushed his shoulder.

But the stoppage was also extended as the video assistant referee (VAR) pairing Timothy Wood and Darren England made two different checks for handball - including against Huijsen - prior to the tight offside call.

Wolves supporters did not celebrate the decision that benefited their team, and allied with the home supporters by chanting "it's not football any more" and "this is embarrassing" during the unprecedented stoppage.

 

[richardtheref]

Again!? We used to have a 6 second rule. Then a 5 steps rule or something.

I get the distinct feeling we're going round in circles with the rules, especially if it's true Wenger wants the daylight rule bringing back... As if it will solve offsides.

Jeez these people in charge of our game who put them there. They are blimey idiots.

We still have the 6 second rule......allegedly

 

[Blue Mist]

8 minutes for a decision.
Clearly the people doing the job are not professional and totally incompetent.
How can anyone still say Var is a good thing ?

Oh and in the Palace match, the Millwall keeper booted a player in the head and the ref still needed to go to the monitor ! It was as clear as any violent foul could be but the ref was so shite he had to review it.

What a complete load of shite.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Extra work for the refs
This will be fun


The IFAB have voted unanimously in favour of amending Law 12.2. The amendment means goalkeepers, from next season, will have eight seconds to release the ball before the opposing team is awarded a corner kick. On-field referees will be aided in their decision-making by a visual five-second countdown

Career ending law for Pickford, Raya, Ramsdale, Pope plus few more although given we already have a law in place (six seconds) why not just tell refs to actually implement it rather than introducing a new law.

 

[Stephen230]

Totally pointless and nonsensical. Why a corner kick? Why not an indirect free kick inside the box?

Since when is this even a point of emphasis? The sport has enough damn problems with VAR and all the IFAB rule changes that go along with it. A visual five-second countdown? Really? Who's bright idea was this? Those running football have not a clue what they're doing anymore, it's getting more and more pathetic.

Because one of the reasons that it was felt referees initially became reluctant to enforce the six second rule was that it seemed like a free kick in the penalty area was an extreme punishment for a minor offence. Indirect free kicks inside the box are also notoriously difficult to police, which wasn’t encouraging them to enforce the rule.

I’m struggling to understand why people are against this, other than the default position of whinging about everything.

One of the biggest complains you get on here, week after week, is time wasting going unpunished. And in the trials for this, it eradicated goalkeepers time wasting while the ball is in play at a stroke.

No idea what the fuck it’s got to do with the NFL either.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

So, with this new 8 seconds rule, the ref holds his arm in the air at the 5 seconds to go point and what?
The ref holds five fingers outstretched on the raised arm and brings one down as each second passes?
A clock appears and counts down the 5 seconds for all to see?
What?

Because the first option is fucking amateur hour and the second one, well some clubs don't even have a screen, and are people honestly confident that a group of individuals who can't even manage to construct a working language protocol for their discussions (after how many years of using the thing?) can manage to get a clock to appear within 1 second of a ref holding his arm in the air?

It'll be a fucking shambles and fucked off before Christmas.

Nice idea but these pseudo-professional fuck-heads won't be able to pull it off successfully.

 

[BlueHammer85]

8 minutes for a decision.
Clearly the people doing the job are not professional and totally incompetent.
How can anyone still say Var is a good thing ?

Oh and in the Palace match, the Millwall keeper booted a player in the head and the ref still needed to go to the monitor ! It was as clear as any violent foul could be but the ref was so shite he had to review it.

What a complete load of shite.

He didn’t NEED to, he could have gave a straight red, he either wasn’t sure or wanted a second look, exactly what should be encouraged.

Without VAR some of these ‘clear and obvious’ incidences are missed by the officials. They need tech help or it’s a farce.

Check the Shrewsbury red card today (quickest in EFL history) the ref banishes a red card straight away, no hesitation, team is down to 10 men when really that’s a yellow card offence at best - why not just allow a ref a double look on the monitor? How is that not better than a ref guessing on a red card incident.

 

[halfcenturyup]

He didn’t NEED to, he could have gave a straight red, he either wasn’t sure or wanted a second look, exactly what should be encouraged.

Without VAR some of these ‘clear and obvious’ incidences are missed by the officials. They need tech help or it’s a farce.

Check the Shrewsbury red card today (quickest in EFL history) the ref banishes a red card straight away, no hesitation, team is down to 10 men when really that’s a yellow card offence at best - why not just allow a ref a double look on the monitor? How is that not better than a ref guessing on a red card incident.

Referee in making a mistake shocker. They have made mistakes for 130 years and will continue to do so VAR or not.

You want to improve their performance? Have VAR check things and make decisions in the background without the pantomime. Oooh - we can't re-referee the game. What a load of bollocks. If VAR isn't re-refereeing the game, what is it doing? Just have the balls to admit it and let VAR correct mistakes without it affecting the game. Or don't and leave the referee in charge, warts and all. This half way house is strangling the enjoyment out of the game.

And don't even start me on SAOT. It's taken them three hours of football to find out it has problems and one of the ones I raised last week. It doesn't track data points continually for each player, and it can't in a crowded area without allocating limbs to the wrong player or mislocating the ball.

Do we realise they are using iPhone technology for the SAOT rather than specialised cameras supposedly because they run 100fps rather than 50fps? Goal-line technology runs at 500fps. If this nonsense is going to be forced on us, at least get the fucking thing right.

 

[Gazza]

I'd love it if, during one of these long decisions, a player brought a deckchair and sunglasses onto the pitch and had a sit down reading the newspaper.

 

[Gordyola]

It was discussed on here a couple of weeks ago during a non City game, how they seem to be under instruction lately to save the delayed flag more for what it was intended for. I think the official wording when it should be deployed is when “An immediate goal scoring opportunity is likely to occur “

From what I remember, Doku was certainly in a promising attacking position but out wide and a long way from goal. So I’m happy if they’re using it now more for as it was intended, rather than any attacking phase.

All well and good if this was applied consistently which it certainly isn’t even in the same game

 

[Gordyola]

Because one of the reasons that it was felt referees initially became reluctant to enforce the six second rule was that it seemed like a free kick in the penalty area was an extreme punishment for a minor offence. Indirect free kicks inside the box are also notoriously difficult to police, which wasn’t encouraging them to enforce the rule.

I’m struggling to understand why people are against this, other than the default position of whinging about everything.

One of the biggest complains you get on here, week after week, is time wasting going unpunished. And in the trials for this, it eradicated goalkeepers time wasting while the ball is in play at a stroke.

No idea what the fuck it’s got to do with the NFL either.

Because there is a much better option, introducing a time keeper who stops the clock when the ball is not in play, play 30 mins of ball in play each half which is just above the actual average This also eliminates other time wasting

Every-time they introduce something like this 8sec rule players fine away to use it to their advantage, like the change to players being in the area for goal kicks, introduced to stop time wasting they actually use it to waste time

 

[Stephen230]

Because there is a much better option, introducing a time keeper who stops the clock when the ball is not in play, play 30 mins of ball in play each half which is just above the actual average This also eliminates other time wasting

Every-time they introduce something like this 8sec rule players fine away to use it to their advantage, like the change to players being in the area for goal kicks, introduced to stop time wasting they actually use it to waste time

I’ve been an advocate of giving it a go stopping the clock when the ball isn’t in play for many years. But such a huge fundamental change in the laws would be years away, even if FIFA were committed to it. So I don’t see anything wrong with giving other more easily changed things a go in the meantime.

 

[solley attwell]

I see that Michael Oliver has not been given a game this week because he didnt send Millwall goalkeeper Liam Roberts off initially for s horrendous tackle on Mateta on Saturday.
Now contrast that to the outrage and ambiguity by klopp and certain members of the media to the sending off of Mane for the same type tackle on Ederson

 

[Blue Mist]

I see that Michael Oliver has not been given a game this week because he didnt send Millwall goalkeeper Liam Roberts off initially for s horrendous tackle on Mateta on Saturday.
Now contrast that to the outrage and ambiguity by klopp and certain members of the media to the sending off of Mane for the same type tackle on Ederson

To me it's another reason to sack var.
Referees no longer need to make a decision. They simply wait to talk to their mates in the var office.
Everybody saw a horrific challenge, he saw close up the injury it had caused but he still didn't make a decision.

The linesmen are no longer needed as they never make a decision and now it seems we no longer need a ref.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I see that Michael Oliver has not been given a game this week because he didnt send Millwall goalkeeper Liam Roberts off initially for s horrendous tackle on Mateta on Saturday.
Now contrast that to the outrage and ambiguity by klopp and certain members of the media to the sending off of Mane for the same type tackle on Ederson

Same week as Slot done for openly criticising Oliver by saying if Liverpool didn’t win it, “it would be your fucking fault”.

 

[stonerblue]

Shite would be allowing the keeper to stay on the pitch and that goal being flagged offside - both major decisions took little time to solve and it didn't ruin the game at all.

Kin hell Hammer, my dog saw that keeper foul

 

[BlueHammer85]

Kin hell Hammer, my dog saw that keeper foul

Would your dog have seen the Maradona handball or Henry’s handball ? The countless no contact Olympic gold medal dives from Ronaldo, Salah, Kane to win penalties pre VAR ? The farcical leg breaking challenges that went unpunished pre VAR ? Players getting away with biting other players pre VAR ?

All this ‘they’re just relying on VAR’ is massively excusing the officials and pretending they would spot every clear cut decision without VAR. It’s proven without doubt they don’t.

 

[richardtheref]

I see that Michael Oliver has not been given a game this week because he didnt send Millwall goalkeeper Liam Roberts off initially for s horrendous tackle on Mateta on Saturday.
Now contrast that to the outrage and ambiguity by klopp and certain members of the media to the sending off of Mane for the same type tackle on Ederson

Last weeks game he would have been appointed by the FA. This week he's appointed by pgmol/pl. It's simply his week to miss a week. I also think he's probably reffing in Europe this week.