Russian invasion of Ukraine

BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I find no humor in the situation at all. For whatever inexplicable reason you support Putin - a fucking fascist killer over Zelensky - a man fighting for the freedom of his country. You seem not to grasp what's going on at all.

So here's an analogy to help out.

Say you own a two floor apartment. One day, the local drug king comes in, kills your son, and takes up residence in your upstairs room. WIth the help of neighbors, you raise enough money to hire a bodyguard and for now, the drug king is at bay, confined to upstairs.

Then the police arrive. Questions arise. Who is at fault here? Didn't the drug king warn you that you needed to move out? Wasn't the killing of your son, your own fault?

Let's make peace. Let's give the drug king ownership of your upstairs room and you agree to fire your bodyguard and not call the police again. Fair deal?
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Show me where I've said I support Putin, go on.

It's a disgrace what has been happening for THREE YEARS, it got forgotten about for a short while here in the UK news when the Gaza war started, fuck me we went days if not a week or two on no reporting at all about Ukraine, even though it was still going on

The issue has started escalating even more now, when the visit to Washington took place, yes or no?

Oh that's Trump, the other maniac that the American people voted in

I am not a supporter of Putin, but I'll tell you somert like I have said previously, he scares the shit out of me and for the future of my family including grandkids

As for your analogy, here is a simple one that is used, if my Aunty had bollocks she'd be my Uncle
 
Jimmieblue said:
He’s desperate to get NATO membership. If that happens I wouldn’t like to think of the outcome. At the end of the day our glorious politicians will try and sort it out. We will pay more taxes and there will be more poverty. Never mind City are through, the Rags are out, hope we’re cleared this month. Always 2 diverse opinions on here, very rarely are people’s opinions changed.
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George is waiting for you
 
Jimmieblue said:
That’s how it is, as per that map, as per those stats. Minus US and Canada. Tbh I’m learning a lot on here, didn’t know the exact countries in NATO, now I do.
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But the question is why you were worried about Ukraine joining NATO? Not sure what that info was meant to explain.

Should be noted that defence spending has increased across the board for 2025 onwards given the events.
 
Chappie said:
I would hate to be a victim of any jury you are serving on.
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I believe in instincts and gut feelings. Being a women that’s what we do sometimes. Difficult to get the truth these days with misinformation in MSM. I don’t do social media so facts are hard to come by.
 
SWP's back said:
But the question is why you were worried about Ukraine joining NATO? Not sure what that info was meant to explain.

Should be noted that defence spending has increased across the board for 2025 onwards given the events.
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I don’t think I said I’m worried, I think Putin is very worried. I don’t see how Ukraine could join NATO now, have they the funds.
 
Jimmieblue said:
I believe in instincts and gut feelings. Being a women that’s what we do sometimes. Difficult to get the truth these days with misinformation in MSM. I don’t do social media so facts are hard to come by.
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Can you point out which facts about Russia/Ukraine are misinformed or why you didn’t believe it.

There are fact checking websites to verify things you see or read also.

Gut and instincts are no replacement for facts, evidence and knowledge. If you serve on a jury, that aspect is made very clear by the judge.
 
Jimmieblue said:
I don’t think I said I’m worried, I think Putin is very worried. I don’t see how Ukraine could join NATO now, have they the funds.
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Well they currently spend far more than 2% of GDP on defence so yes, they do have the funds.

They want to join as they know that if they do, Russia won’t try and invade again. That’s the reason why most people would like them to join, because it helps secure long lasting peace, as it has done for over 70 years.
 
b6_brum said:
For all the 'we can't afford it types', particularly in the US. Their military donation to Ukraine equates to about what, 5% of their total military expenditure per year? Could there honestly be a better 5% investment per year? All without losing a single member of their armed forces.
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Its a great point, for decades the americans wanted the Russians weakened and now someone is actually doing it for them and the chuckle brothers are fucking trying to stop it.

Crazy.
 
hilts said:
Its a great point, for decades the americans wanted the Russians weakened and now someone is actually doing it for them and the chuckle brothers are fucking trying to stop it.

Crazy.
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Because Trump is Putin’s boy and a weakened Russia is the last thing Trump wants.
 
Jimmieblue said:
I don’t think I said I’m worried, I think Putin is very worried. I don’t see how Ukraine could join NATO now, have they the funds.
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The GPD % is a guide line rather than a rule, Iceland is part of NATO and has pretty much no Military, its in NATO for purely strategic reasons. they spend 0.1% of there GDP.

But just for reference. Ukraine are currently at 36% GDP for Military. UK is at 2.3%, US is at 3.3%. Poland is at 4%.
 
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