North Stand Construction Discussion

mcfcphil said:
Question re the cable net.

Once north stand is complete the cable net will only be required for Colin Bell and East Stand roofs.

There are four anchor points above each spiral on both sides of the ground.

Therefore, could you not tie a new cable from each of those four anchor points on the east side to hold up the roof?

Then do the same with the four anchor points on the Colin Bell side.

Essentially it works the same way as the two big anchor points currently being constructed to hold up the new north stand roof.

Each stand roof would then be held up by its own cables. Meaning you could do away with the cable net and it would also allow for easier expansion of East or Colin Bell if/when that ever is needed.
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The cable net roof system is a light weight structure hence the roof beams are much smaller in section to those in the new roofs. Removing the cable net would mean the roof beams would have to be substantially reinforced. The also the anchor points of the new beams, both N & S stands) are supported by a lot of steel work, effectively cantilever, the cable net beams are not. Not saying its impossible but, as they are totally different designs its unlikely to be able to do as you suggest, after all why didn't they just do that in the first place?
 
Coatigan said:
Their development and build costs are definitely excluded. I think their income from how I understand it can be included, if part of the stadium. I think the hotel and office will income will count, but the arena won't.
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The arena is CFG not City so won't count in City's accounts
 
Coatigan said:
Haha, don't flatter yourself.

I've made the point before.

All good though mate! You want to add an entire hotel or office block to the cost, fire away. I'll say my bit and round and round we go.

I don't doubt you have been told what you have btw, nor that they are credible either, fwiw.
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Out of interest do we know who the club’s project manager and or quantity surveyor is ??
 
Blue and true said:
It looks like a hospital. Very brutalist.
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Bloody hell it is just an hotel, not one of the 7 wonders of the World.

If it is nice inside that is what really matters, it is hardly going to be a tourist attraction in that neck of the woods.
 
Coatigan said:
Their development and build costs are definitely excluded. I think their income from how I understand it can be included, if part of the stadium. I think the hotel and office will income will count, but the arena won't.
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From the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, version released on 1 June 2018 (which is the latest version I get from UEFA's website).

Annex X details what does and doesn't count as income, and by virtue of Section A, paras f) and l), income from "non-football operations not related to the club" are excluded but those related to the club are permissible.

As to what this means, the following is from para l) of Section B of Annex X of the Regulations:

Examples of non-football operations related to the club [i.e. that CAN be included for FFP purposes] are:

 Operations based at, or in close proximity to, a club’s stadium and training facilities such as a hotel, restaurant, conference centre, business premises(for rental), health-care centre, other sports teams; and

 Operations clearly using the name/brand of a club as part of their operations.
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My understanding has always been that rent from facilities located on land around the stadium owned by the MCFC JV with the City Council, including the collar site in the fullness of time but also Co-op Live, can be included by virtue of the first bullet above. Happy to be shown to be wrong if I am.
 
My favourite pic… ;)

Comparison of the new North Stand roof vs the 3 tier option as seen on the South Stand.

- The North Stand roof starts further back so is longer overall.
- The sky walk gives a bit of extra length to the front.
- The shallower rake of the new extension, plus the extra length, might have made it more difficult to prop the new roof, which could be why they’re not putting full length beams up in one go (pure speculation).

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Penders1957 said:
Do you think the horizontal panel design/ colour is yet to be agreed ? Seems very strange none have been fitted as yet ?
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I think it probably has, when that one off panel popped up and then disappeared.

Could be coming from a different supplier to the glass, could be that they agreed it late so the lead-in time has slipped. But most likely they are focusing in the glass panels which will make it watertight (the horizontals already are as the backing panel is in already) while they have the stuff stored on site and the lifting equipment set up etc.
 
Coatigan said:
I think it probably has, when that one off panel popped up and then disappeared.

Could be coming from a different supplier to the glass, could be that they agreed it late so the lead-in time has slipped. But most likely they are focusing in the glass panels which will make it watertight (the horizontals already are as the backing panel is in already) while they have the stuff stored on site and the lifting equipment set up etc.
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From memory the one off panel was the same colour as the verticals but had vent
Holes which appeared to be drilled ??
 
petrusha said:
From the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, version released on 1 June 2018 (which is the latest version I get from UEFA's website).

Annex X details what does and doesn't count as income, and by virtue of Section A, paras f) and l), income from "non-football operations not related to the club" are excluded but those related to the club are permissible.

As to what this means, the following is from para l) of Section B of Annex X of the Regulations:



My understanding has always been that rent from facilities located on land around the stadium owned by the MCFC JV with the City Council, including the collar site in the fullness of time but also Co-op Live, can be included by virtue of the first bullet above. Happy to be shown to be wrong if I am.
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Interesting. Thanks.

Based on that the hotel, f&b, and everything else as part of this development would count. And probabky even the arena would qualify, depending on what 'close' proximity is. Given it doesn't specifically use the club name.
 
The hotel and stadium will in a sense be like Vegas...... a bit dull and boring in the day but come to life and night time, game days etc when all lit up.
 
Penders1957 said:
From memory the one off panel was the same colour as the verticals but had vent
Holes which appeared to be drilled ??
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That's how I recall it too, but I couldn't really tell properly from the photos.

There is a single line of panels on just now, and they Are the lighter grey per the mock-up. But it is the separating line where the etfe roof comes on, so might be different from the rest.

If I was guessing, the introduction of the perforations would have pushed them (or pushed the planners to push them) to go a darker colour. But I don't think we'll know till we see it.
 
It will be interesting to see (yes I know we have a collar site thread [emoji51]) what the style of architecture is when they reveal the plans for the collar site. Those buildings will be what you see from Alan Turing Way and I imagine the club will want to maintain the Club / Stadium / Badge etc being visual from the road.

Given the size of the north stand, you’ll always be able to see that [emoji23]
 
Coatigan said:
Interesting. Thanks.

Based on that the hotel, f&b, and everything else as part of this development would count. And probabky even the arena would qualify, depending on what 'close' proximity is. Given it doesn't specifically use the club name.
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I'm pretty sure the Arena doesn't count ?
 
pride in battle said:
I'm pretty sure the Arena doesn't count ?
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I thought so too, but according to the wording above, it Could, potentially.

Certainly not clear that it doesn't. The club may well have chosen to keep it separate, I have no idea.
 
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