The Labour Government

[bluenova]

for every £1000 contributed to UK GDP fishing accounts for 30p. Why it gets this level of attention is beyond me - the arts and the ability to tour the EU for the arts will bring in way more. Oh and this agreement means fisherfolk can send product to the EU ( who's citizens want it ) more easily and fresher so it will sell for more than currently - still all the media dump on it because its not a Johnson or Farage deal

I said this yesterday, but it's almost certainly because it's a visible "Us v Foreigners" situation.

It's easier to get people to care about "foreign* boats" taking "our fish", because it's easy to visualise.

All the companies trading with the UK that went out of business, or who could no longer viably export to the EU, after Brexit, are much less visible. No-one is going to get voters riled up by explaining that additional form filling and admin costs have stopped someone who use to sell cheese to the EU, no longer has a business, and that someone in France is now selling more cheese as a result.

*of course, much of the "English" fleet is also foreign owned, but that's nothing to worry about...

 

[BobKowalski]

For me I have not read any comments on what I consider the most important point re the deal on fishing.

I hear people reference that we do not have the fleet capability to do the fishing, or that UK people are not willing to do the jobs etc. etc.

What I don't hear is acknowledgement that access to our fishing waters is of high importance/value to certain EU countries. This was supposed to be a negotiation - yet we do not seem to have used the value of access to our waters as bargaining for other concessions. And then also we gave the access for an extended period - thereby throwing away future negotiation leverage.

A few EU countries want access to our fishing waters. We want improved trade access to the every EU country. We have one trading card and played it. The reason why we ended up with a poor deal post Brexit was our inability to realise or accept that this is not a level playing field.

The Brexit reset was always going to come. The only question was when and the price.

 

[Oldham Exile]

Aside from being able to join the shorter/quicker queue at passport control the only beneficiary of this deal in the medium term will probably be Reform.
To bring the slightly incendiary issue of fishing to the fore is a bit politically inept - domestically at least. A bit like the wfa cut which brought much more benefit to reform than treasury coffers.

Maybe in the UK - but given the body language and beaming smiles of the 2 EU leaders flanking Starmer at the press conference - there are substantial benefits for the EU

 

[stonerblue]

You can't eat coal or the arts U can eat coal.

 

[west didsblue]

The concern shown about the fishing industry by the Brexit fans is quite ironic after the decimation of that industry that happened as a result of their vote. What’s even more ironic is the fact that the majority of fishermen voted for it themselves and appear to be in denial as to the cause of the consequences to them.

I think I’ll save my concern for turkeys that didn’t vote for Christmas.

 

[mosssideblue]

I've long argued that nuclear weapons are the biggest bunch of bullshit spending we and other nations continue to do. Half of them won't work, the others that do will be intercepted, the others that won't will miss their targets and their destructive capabilities are pretty exaggerated in the media.

For one nuclear weapon upgrade's cost, you could have 100,000 drones that will shoot that missile out of the sky and then scorched earth its entire landing platform in an almost undetectable way driven entirely by AI programming that can change strategies and flock behaviours in a split second and requires little to no human oversight or intervention. That's how wars will be fought in the future, not big scary ICBMs or other smart bombs.

Apart from a small oversight on your maths, can you explain how half won’t work, some will be intercepted ( by what), and why none will hit their intended targets?

 

[bluenova]

The concern shown about the fishing industry by the Brexit fans is quite ironic after the decimation of that industry that happened as a result of their vote. What’s even more ironic is the fact that the majority of fishermen voted for it themselves and appear to be in denial as to the cause of the consequences to them.

I think I’ll save my concern for turkeys that didn’t vote for Christmas.

Not all though - here's a great GB news interview from a couple of months ago:

 

[west didsblue]

Not all though - here's a great GB news interview from a couple of months ago:

I did say the majority not all, however I recognise I could be wrong as the media seem to focus on the ones who still support Brexit, which could well be just the media’s agenda.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The concern shown about the fishing industry by the Brexit fans is quite ironic after the decimation of that industry that happened as a result of their vote. What’s even more ironic is the fact that the majority of fishermen voted for it themselves and appear to be in denial as to the cause of the consequences to them.

I think I’ll save my concern for turkeys that didn’t vote for Christmas.

There has not been a UK fishing industry of note for many years. It is a silly issue leveraged by either extreme of the 'debate' around Brexit - much like immigration.
There seems to be multiple reasons that there is no longer a vast fleet at Grimsby etc, but this seems to very much pre date 2016 etc. the conservation/ecological argument is probably the only one with having (IMHO).

 

[threespires]

Aside from being able to join the shorter/quicker queue at passport control the only beneficiary of this deal in the medium term will probably be Reform.
To bring the slightly incendiary issue of fishing to the fore is a bit politically inept - domestically at least. A bit like the wfa cut which brought much more benefit to reform than treasury coffers.

Disagree. Labour do seem politically inept but the fishing question is nothing like wfa. At some point some politicians need to stand their ground and take on Farage rather than trying to be the lite version because it doesn't work. Farage's rethoric and agenda drove a pathetically weak series of Tory administrations into a period of utterly reckless behaviour that completely undermined our country and the fishing industry (which as you say was already on its arse) was collateral damage that he didn't give a toss about because despite the rhetoric he is absolutely not interested in ordinary people. Despite the headwinds of a mostly negative press, Labour need to be taking him head on.

There should be posters up around the entire country with Farage's face superimposed on either a wrecking ball or on Lord Haw Haw's shoulders. Either work for me.

 

[abu13]

The Fishing is the least if my concerns, i just look at the state if the country an dispair.

We are so far down the rabbit hole we will never come back.

 

[bluenova]

I did say the majority not all, however I recognise I could be wrong as the media seem to focus on the ones who still support Brexit, which could well be just the media’s agenda.

I wasn't suggesting you were wrong - it's just quite the interview :)

 

[hcblue95]

The Fishing is the least if my concerns, i just look at the state if the country an dispair.

We are so far down the rabbit hole we will never come back.

How so?

 

[west didsblue]

Maybe in the UK - but given the body language and beaming smiles of the 2 EU leaders flanking Starmer at the press conference - there are substantial benefits for the EU

That’s what happens with deals between two parties. There’s benefits for both otherwise there wouldn’t be an agreement. It’s not rocket science.

 

[meltonblue]

Aside from being able to join the shorter/quicker queue at passport control the only beneficiary of this deal in the medium term will probably be Reform.
To bring the slightly incendiary issue of fishing to the fore is a bit politically inept - domestically at least. A bit like the wfa cut which brought much more benefit to reform than treasury coffers.

They didn’t bring fishing to the fore, disingenuous commentators have. What the government tried to push was the reduction in red tape across a few sectors that they think will add 9 billion back in to the economy.

 

[Hertzblue]

Thanks Einstein.

The same cursory report. Little to no discussion of how they came into the information of Starmer’s address, the motivation for the attacks or indeed the potential involvement of hostile states.

So first a Ukrainian " model" who allegedley is also a male prostitute. Now I am reading the second arrest is a Romanian male " model" Mmm.
What will be behind the door on this one I wonder ?
If the door is ever opened of course .
Will it be a " foreign state" or will it be Lord Ali ?
Place your bets .

 

[Brewster's millions]

So first a Ukrainian " model" who allegedley is also a male prostitute. Now I am reading the second arrest is a Romanian male " model" Mmm.
What will be behind the door on this one I wonder ?
If the door is ever opened of course .
Will it be a " foreign state" or will it be Lord Ali ?
Place your bets .

New ‘model’ army?

 

[Hertzblue]

New ‘model’ army?

Fucking Rent boys are always causing trouble .
They could become the Starmer's new " Far right" , Blame them for everything !

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Not sure what the problem is. Hardly starmers fault that a male escort knows where starmers properties are and where he parks his car and decided to torch them.

 

[ganganvince]

Not sure what the problem is. Hardly starmers fault that a male escort knows where starmers properties are and where he parks his car and decided to torch them.