PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Xhavenjoe]

I read someone saying on another forum that on RTE they were saying that PSG bought the Champions League. He was asking if they said the same when City and Chelsea won it and said probably not as they're biased to the English clubs.

I didn't hear that but may have missed it.
What they did mention was the irony of failing to previously win the league when throwing money away to expensive superstars.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

And someone who wasn't even on the 3-man shortlist. Politicians are just taking the piss these days and don't even care if it's obvious.

And a former BBC journalist. That would surely rule him out if the candidate was supposed to be impartial. Just another lobbyist on the gravy train. Our political system stinks.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

On a similar theme, Delaney had a book published about "sportswashing" which aside from being a dull subject must also have a limited audience

Who on earth would be interested in reading (never mind buying) a book about "oil money" especially when the rags have enough problems with their own owners, and would secretly welcome a Qatari takeover?

There’s no such thing as sportswashing. It is a fabricated PR slogan first made up by human rights groups. Sportswashing is just marketing and promotion done by every nation and big organisation across the world.

 

[eyalluvitt]

Too much success does breed envy and hostility from other clubs, all of Assenal. Manure, Chelsea, Scousers experienced it and as we all aware City now too. That's just life. I see yes now Newcastle also starting to get it from other clubs jealous fans.

Not in Scotland though, nobody in the press or rival clubs is howling that one team with a much bigger budget and 17 trophies out of the last 20 is bad for the game and competition. Because all the press are extremely pro Celtic and rival clubs are happy for them to dominate as it stops Rangers

 

[Casey69]

He says he remembers when football was a competition. Well I'm 64 and I don't remember it being a competition. Firstly dippers winning everything year in year out. Than the rags winning year in year out with the occasional arsenal side.
In Europe it was RM winning for the 50th time.
Always clubs that were well supported by their owners.
To be successful you need investment or like Leicester luck and plenty of it

I can remember rags winning the by Christmas. How many times have City won the league on the last day ? 5 times ? But according to this knobhead that's not competition lol

I’m 74 this year and the times rags and dipper fans have said you can’t buy history to me about city… I just remind them about the titles and cups they bought with corrupt business owners and pools companies always bought the “ best players” through dodgy dealings etc …
If that’s their “history” they can shove it !

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Forgive me for derailing the thread slightly, but as a fellow lifelong Labour Party voter, and member, they really need to change their PR company. Situations like this, the winter fuel allowance, and lots of other ridiculously predictable own goals really do present 'poor optics' to the public and are easy meat for their opponents.

It's hardly a stretch for even the average Joe to to get a feel for how things might look.
Not helping the constant 'incompetent' javelins being thrown at them daily...

 

[wolviedinho]

He says he remembers when football was a competition. Well I'm 64 and I don't remember it being a competition. Firstly dippers winning everything year in year out. Than the rags winning year in year out with the occasional arsenal side.
In Europe it was RM winning for the 50th time.
Always clubs that were well supported by their owners.
To be successful you need investment or like Leicester luck and plenty of it

I can remember rags winning the by Christmas. How many times have City won the league on the last day ? 5 times ? But according to this knobhead that's not competition lol

Dishonest lazy assumption.

The problem has always been competition. It’s used to be uncompetitive and 1 team mostly dominated. It’s more competitive now than at any time in the past.

That’s what the red teams struggle to deal with.

A competitive league that they have no right to win just because the club won in the past.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Some fascinating stuff in here about fair market value and sponsorship but when it talks about fair market value isn't that up to the sponsor and club to agree a deal. If someone believes that by being our shirt sleeve sponsor is worth £50m to them who can say that it isn't fair. It's a little like a house that goes on the market and someone, in a sealed bid, offers 10% over the estate agency valuation. That buyer believes that their purchase is fair...

Revealed: Premier League Fair Market Sponsorship Values 2025 - The Sponsor

The annual Premier League Fair Market Sponsorship results show which teams and sponsors are getting a good deal and which are not.

www.thesponsor.com

That is interesting and shows that we're not significantly out of line with "the market". You're right that 'value' is a matter for the contracting parties but there's a couple of other factors.

The first is what value did a B2B company like Team Viewer get from united? That deal was ludicrously out of line with Team Viewer's finances and I highlighted that, but not many others questioned it.

The other is the scenario with PSG and Qatar Airlines. I've no doubt the airline got substantial value from that deal but was it worth the initial €200m it was quoted at? It was probably worth around half that overall but who knows.

I think there should be rules to manage potential abuse of the system but how can you sensibly compare value between consumer brands, who can translate brand recognition into revenue and profit and other brands, such as B2Bbrands like Team Viewer or Snapdragon, or these obscure Far Eastern gambling companies.

 

[der bomber28]

Becoming really tiresome now this isn't it? I don't profess to have much knowlege on the leagal system, and understand how huge this hearing has been in comparrison to others. However, I thought we'd have some sort of news by now, even if it was to indicate preliminary findings. Again, I understand there must be vast ammounts of paperwork to draw up, and everything needs running over with a fine tooth comb. Yet, clearly the outcome will be known, with the case being over for months now.
Why can't they at least announce their initial findings, whilst addressing all the necessary documentation that needs to be written up. Forgive my ignorance, but like many, this is really doing my swede in now.
The lack of any news/signals whatsover is really frustrating, and seems unnecessarily protracted.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, or overly frustrated.
However, even a release date of the findings, would at least give us all some clarity and something to focus on.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

Becoming really tiresome now this isn't it? I don't profess to have much knowlege on the leagal system, and understand how huge this hearing has been in comparrison to others. However, I thought we'd have some sort of news by now, even if it was to indicate preliminary findings. Again, I understand there must be vast ammounts of paperwork to draw up, and everything needs running over with a fine tooth comb. Yet, clearly the outcome will be known, with the case being over for months now.
Why can't they at least announce their initial findings, whilst addressing all the unnecessary documentation that needs to be written up. Forgive my ignorance, but like many, this is really doing my swede in now.
The lack of any news/signals whatsover is really frustrating, and seems unnecessarily protracted.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, or overly frustrated.
However, even a release date of the findings, would at least give us all some clarity and something to focus on.

Probably because the extensive notes will be going into every detail, every minutiae of every one of the charges. Each explanation will explain why the club can not possibly be guilty. The report has to be so extensive in order to avoid ambiguity and any possible appeal. It has to be done right and the last thing it needs to be is rushed through.

 

[slbsn]

And someone who wasn't even on the 3-man shortlist. Politicians are just taking the piss these days and don't even care if it's obvious.

Looked a great candidate to me when he was interviewed by the select committee and explained the process in detail there. Bad move if they hound him out of the post.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Probably because the extensive notes will be going into every detail, every minutiae of every one of the charges. Each explanation will explain why the club can not possibly be guilty. The report has to be so extensive in order to avoid ambiguity and any possible appeal. It has to be done right and the last thing it needs to be is rushed through.

There is only one party to blame for that, let's not forget. And it isn't City.

When this is all over there should be some pretty serious questions around why the PL chose to do what they have done.

 

[Father Paul]

Just imagine where Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Matt Hancock would be if behaving ethically was a prime requirement for politicians!

You leave out a prime current practitioner of the unethical I wonder why? Scared?

 

[der bomber28]

Probably because the extensive notes will be going into every detail, every minutiae of every one of the charges. Each explanation will explain why the club can not possibly be guilty. The report has to be so extensive in order to avoid ambiguity and any possible appeal. It has to be done right and the last thing it needs to be is rushed through.

Yes, I totally get that. However, surely they'd have even an approx estimation of when the process would be complete. With an approx date of release to both parties and when it could be made public.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Probably because the extensive notes will be going into every detail, every minutiae of every one of the charges. Each explanation will explain why the club can not possibly be guilty. The report has to be so extensive in order to avoid ambiguity and any possible appeal. It has to be done right and the last thing it needs to be is rushed through.

Bang on - which is why is should have been dropped by the PL months ago - or never started.

 

[Father Paul]

For me, the hatred ramped up when Pep joined us and not lfc or Utd, specifically Utd. The headlines (Before he joined) were about rumours that he may be coming to England, then that it may be United, then that it wasnt Utd but City! That shit hit the fan hard......

The headlines became Oil state funded, buying the league. Then human rights (Thats forgotten now). Then the hatred towards every single player he bought (Stones, Kevin, Sterling etc.). When we won the league setting records and never before seen styuff it got even worse. Then Der Speigal leaks took all of that away (Except the ignorance of City's achievements) because they had a new angle to detract from what has been achieved.

I do believe, had we not got Pep and achieved the total dominance we have, none of the charges, the human rights abuses, state funded bullshit, would exists. It didnt before Pep and wont afterwards. They just want Pep out of the PL.

Its been fascinating watching the media of this country completely turn on one club, like some nebulous propaganda machine, all aligned to where the clicks are, where the money is, which clubs bring them most revenue. And definately which clubs stop that byt breaking up the cosy-cartel

Interesting take but not sure it is entirely true. The root cause of our difficulties could easily reside in attitudes towards us in Europe both in the football establishment and press. This situation predated the arrival of Guardiola . But your probably correct in asserting Peps decision to join us, rather than one of the carte,l pissed off the media big time.

 

[mattcity5]

Yes, I totally get that. However, surely they'd have even an approx estimation of when the process would be complete. With an approx date of release to both parties and when it could be made public.

Maybe that would just cause too much build up in the days leading up to the date. Might be something they want to prevent for some reason.

 

[Tevez32mcfc]

Apologies if already answered but if we did win this case would that mean Everton and Nottingham Forest would be owed compensation as they would if missed out on a few places because of their charges? Or is that completely seperate?

 

[der bomber28]

Maybe that would just cause too much build up in the days leading up to the date. Might be something they want to prevent for some reason.

Maybe, still seems unnecassarily protracted though.
Its getting frustrating as fuck waiting about, with zero indications either way.
It would be nice to know when "D-DAY" was actually coming haha.

 

[SilverFox2]

Was it just the Panels initial proceedings that both sides wanted to be secret.?

I presume the current part of the decision would be unknown until published anyway.