Russian invasion of Ukraine

grunge said:
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Point 1. The US has zero control over UK and French Nukes.

Point 2. Supplying arms is not going to war with a county, so if Russia attacks Germany, Germany can invoke article 5.

That being said. Russia won’t attack Germany. They will bluff and bluster about it. Morning more.
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Saved me posting mate.
I think we have a live one here. Too much Redbull - internet - active imagination.
Probably my earliest "ignore" candidate etc.
 
grunge said:
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Point 1. The US has zero control over UK and French Nukes.

Point 2. Supplying arms is not going to war with a county, so if Russia attacks Germany, Germany can invoke article 5.

That being said. Russia won’t attack Germany. They will bluff and bluster about it. Nothing more.
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Do you know why the RAF bombed Dresden?

Eventually something there will be a spark. Like 'Ukraine' using Kazahk air space to drone Russia..

Why do you think Kazahstahn could be a problem?
 
How long before Putin is asked to enjoy the view from an 11th floor window that can be opened?

kyivinsider.com

Russia’s June Industrial Output collapses at worst rate since the invasion

Russia’s manufacturing sector shrank sharply in June, with output, new orders, and exports all declining at a rate not seen since the initial shock of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The latest S&P Global Manufacturing Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) dropped to 47.5 from 50.2 in May...
kyivinsider.com kyivinsider.com
 
Bruno37 said:
Do you know why the RAF bombed Dresden?

Eventually something there will be a spark. Like 'Ukraine' using Kazahk air space to drone Russia..

Why do you think Kazahstahn could be a problem?
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What have those things got to do with what I posted in response to the Germany supplying weapons? Our nuke control etc.

Make some points and stick to them to debate rather than scattergun random comments.
 
Bruno37 said:
Do you want me to condone that blowing up?

No! Fuck it all I hate the lot of it.
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Hello Ivan,
Ukraine hits Russian military and industrial targets in Ukraine and Ruzzia.
Ruzzia hits mostly Civillian targets in Ukraine.
But you say nothing, nowt, nada, bugger all about the destruction of Civilian targets in Ukraine.
Moreover Ukrainians do not want to be part of Ruzzia.
Do tell me why you don't condemn Ruzzia for this?
You wont will you?
so you are clearly a Russisn shill.
 
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grunge said:
What have those things got to do with what I posted in response to the Germany supplying weapons? Our nuke control etc.

Make some points and stick to them to debate rather than scattergun random comments.
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Germany supply Ukraine missiles, Taurus missiles. Russia knows where they are made.

One day, I hope not - they will fire and call our bluff!

Within 30 seconds anyone can google where those missiles are made - do it - do you think those people voted their leader to go to war with Russia?

We are implicit in this war - but the UK is not at war. How stupid to do you think it is to attack Russian planes?

Those Russian planes were only attackable due to a treaty of peace. Attacking them crossed Russia's nuclear doctrine...

So who in the UK is questioning why Starmer is hell bent on sending us into a fabricated war? Russia have been cool crushing for years regards front lines, by end of the year it will be at the Dnipro river. That's their land then I guess..

What's your solution?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Hello Ivan,
Ukraine hits Russian military and industrial targets in Ukraine and Ruzzia.
Ruzzia hits Civillian targets in Uj
But you say nothing, nowt, nada, bugger all about the destruction of Civilian targets in Ukraine.
Moreover Ukrainians do not want to be part of Ruzzia.
You are clearly a Russisn shill so do one.
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I'm not a Russian shill - I just hate my governments actions more than Putin's.

Proliferation and normilsation of war and death - fuck that, and fuck you.
 
Bruno37 said:
Germany supply Ukraine missiles, Taurus missiles. Russia knows where they are made.

One day, I hope not - they will fire and call our bluff!

Within 30 seconds anyone can google where those missiles are made - do it - do you think those people voted their leader to go to war with Russia?

We are implicit in this war - but the UK is not at war. How stupid to do you think it is to attack Russian planes?

Those Russian planes were only attackable due to a treaty of peace. Attacking them crossed Russia's nuclear doctrine...

So who in the UK is questioning why Starmer is hell bent on sending us into a fabricated war? Russia have been cool crushing for years regards front lines, by end of the year it will be at the Dnipro river. That's their land then I guess..

What's your solution?
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Give over Ivan.
 
Bruno37 said:
I'm not a Russian shill - I just hate my governments actions more than Putin's.

Proliferation and normilsation of war and death - fuck that, and fuck you.
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Why do we support Ukraine as a country?

Because if you let dictators win they come back for more!

A quote from Martin Niemöller About Hitler and the Nazi party in Germsnny is rather apt:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

—Martin Niemöller
 
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Bruno37 said:
Germany supply Ukraine missiles, Taurus missiles. Russia knows where they are made.

One day, I hope not - they will fire and call our bluff!

Within 30 seconds anyone can google where those missiles are made - do it - do you think those people voted their leader to go to war with Russia?

We are implicit in this war - but the UK is not at war. How stupid to do you think it is to attack Russian planes?

Those Russian planes were only attackable due to a treaty of peace. Attacking them crossed Russia's nuclear doctrine...

So who in the UK is questioning why Starmer is hell bent on sending us into a fabricated war? Russia have been cool crushing for years regards front lines, by end of the year it will be at the Dnipro river. That's their land then I guess..

What's your solution?
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If they were going to do it they would have already done it. HIMARS = red line. Air defence = red line. Tanks = red line. f-16’s = red line. Cruise missiles = red line. Missiles inside Russia boarder = red line. The list goes on and on.

Taurus is just another in a long line of “red lines” used to try to bluster the result they want and shame on Germany for falling for it so often.

Also from reports it looks like Taurus isn’t in Ukraine, this new missile appears to be a home grown one.

My solution. Ask Ukraine what it needs to get Russia out of its country. Then quadruple that and give it them as fast as possible, allow Ukraine to absolutely trounce Russian forces within Ukraine so they leave and never consider returning. Then give Ukraine EU and NATO membership.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Why do we support Ukraine as a country?

Because if you let dictators win they come back for moe

A quite from Martin Niemöller About Hitler and tge Nazi party in Germsnny:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

—Martin Niemöller
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Be quite you **** - dragging up quotes, hush.

You do understand what Stalin did to get to Berlin first? How much death, rape and destruction his armies committed for that land grab. Red Army were barbaric.
 
grunge said:
If they were going to do it they would have already done it. HIMARS = red line. Air defence = red line. Tanks = red line. f-16’s = red line. Cruise missiles = red line. Missiles inside Russia boarder = red line. The list goes on and on.

Taurus is just another in a long line of “red lines” used to try to bluster the result they want.

Also from reports it looks like Taurus isn’t in Ukraine, this new missile is a home grown on.
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Yeah - thank fuck then!

Regards on Taurus missiles, last 3+ months I've heard that Germany has set up a plant in Ukraine to supply the missiles - to get around direct NATO action.

It's why I hate it - the underhandedness.

I didn't vote for my PM to go to war with Russia on behalf of Larry Fink.

Labour didn't have a mandate to crank up military production. What war for?

Russia isn't a threat to the West - they were trading partners until we blew up a pipeline a tanked our economies.
 


I watched this well before 2022 btw... Kremlin gave me a first showing.

Good to know the oppostion.
 
Bruno37 said:
I've never stated any fact, nor do I expect of rely on anyone within this thread to state primary sourced fact onto what they say.

If you don't believe me, so be it. That's not on me. If you don't wan't to believe me, so be it as well.

USA have final action on our nukes, without actually researching it will be to do with USA controlling the worlds air defence and us having the launch from sea? - why should that worry you?

If the UK were allowed guns - would you be safe or a public risk, you seem to want to attack nuke and kill? Tranquillo.
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You don’t half spout some shite
 
Bruno37 said:
Yeah - thank fuck then!

Regards on Taurus missiles, last 3+ months I've heard that Germany has set up a plant in Ukraine to supply the missiles - to get around direct NATO action.

It's why I hate it - the underhandedness.

I didn't vote for my PM to go to war with Russia on behalf of Larry Fink.

Labour didn't have a mandate to crank up military production. What war for?

Russia isn't a threat to the West - they were trading partners until we blew up a pipeline a tanked our economies.
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Genuinely curious. Are you on drugs right now.
 
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