The Labour Government

They are just reporting the chaos. Would you rather the media just lied to save your sensitivities?

To be fair I’d argue for a lot of the media your first sentence is correct albeit with a different meaning to what you’re thinking ;)

That was a known known for labour though and rather than having a way of dealing with it, they’ve done the opposite and have been giving them constant gifts.
 
You cannot vote for ducks.

Likewise Advance UK cannot split the right wing vote if they don't field any candidates and you cannot vote for them, can they.

So no, it's not a duck.

I agree - but we were discussing Restore UK - Advance is Habib's crew. Must be hard for you on the right to keep up with all these splinter groups peeling off to keep track of who is which. In any event 2 Party's launched this week are hardly likely to have recruited any candidates yet
 
I didn’t assume that you were suggesting that - but it does highlight how difficult it is now to raise serious money without doing something unpopular with a big section of the population.

All the easy ways of raising revenue have been done already, and they can’t clobber businesses again.
Well you say that, there are easy ways but I know its unpopular with some on here, which is withdrawals from private pension funds over and above the state pension (which should never be taxed) being subject to.NI and not just income tax, as is currently the case. This would make it no different to any other earned income.

You could make it so that it only applied to anything above a yearly minimum wage based on a 37.5hr working week, which would only significantly impact wealthier pensioners.

It might be political suicide but if we want to have good healthcare in later life and have an aging population, it seems like a reasonable price to pay.
 
I agree - but we were discussing Restore UK - Advance is Habib's crew. Must be hard for you on the right to keep up with all these splinter groups peeling off to keep track of who is which. In any event 2 Party's launched this week are hardly likely to have recruited any candidates yet
Sorry, my bad.
 
Well you say that, there are easy ways but I know its unpopular with some on here, which is withdrawals from private pension funds over and above the state pension (which should never be taxed) being subject to.NI and not just income tax, as is currently the case. This would make it no different to any other earned income.

You could make it so that it only applied to anything above a yearly minimum wage based on a 37.5hr working week, which would only significantly impact wealthier pensioners.

It might be political suicide but if we want to have good healthcare in later life and have an aging population, it seems like a reasonable price to pay.
Changing the tax on working people is one thing because they still have their working lives to adjust, work harder or longer or whatever.

Changing it for people who have already retired is different. They have worked all their lives and decided to retire, working out how much income they will need and a clear government commitment about how much they will get. You cannot change it afterwards when they have no ability to ccommodate the change. That's just not on.
 
To be fair I’d argue for a lot of the media your first sentence is correct albeit with a different meaning to what you’re thinking ;)

That was a known known for labour though and rather than having a way of dealing with it, they’ve done the opposite and have been giving them constant gifts.

It’s shocking how bad they have been at this government malarkey. They’ve lost control of the parliamentary party now as well.

None of the current mess is helping the country so let’s hope it gets better from here on in as it’s in all our interests the government of the day does well.
 
Was always going to happen.

This current Labour Party is an old fashioned centre right Tory party and it’s clear there is a need for a party of the left that will feel like home for many.
So why are the Tories on here so hysterical about Labour?
 
Got some really good policies, but pretty crap at politics.

For all of us, I hope they get those policies working and sort their communications out.
 
Got some really good policies
Which ones are those, in your opinion? Genuine question.

Of course you will think I am biased but honestly I cannot think of any. I would have said perhaps the idea to reduce the cash ISA contribution limit was a good idea - to encourage investment in the stock market. But Martin Lewis reckons that's an idiotic idea. So I can't think of anything positive at all.
 
Got some really good policies, but pretty crap at politics.

For all of us, I hope they get those policies working and sort their communications out.

Impossible, they are being completely drowned out by right wing media and social media , no one cares about their achievements and what good they have already done. It’s pure abuse and annihilation and it won’t let up.
 
Same as it ever was....


Lol..If that's the choice, I think I will go with barbarism, thanks Zarah.

She appears to have chosen to overlook that many societies that have chosen socialism end up with barbarism as a consequence - might as well miss the miserable socialism bit out and cut to the chase.
 
If you believe in hard left socialist policies, then perhaps. I think such policies are bonkers and will wreck the country, but I guess we may perhaps soon find out.

BTW, it would be nice if she wasn't a steaming hypocrite with her stance on buying your own council house.
She lived not too far from me in Ashton, big house that had a tennis court in it when I was a kid. Not too sure if she still owns it but at the last GE it was the only gaff in the area to have Labour promotional guff openly displayed.

Used to see her on the odd occasion walking her dog but not for a while, obviously too important now but god help us all if she ever becomes PM.

Whatever your politics Rayner just doesn't have the persona to be a world leader, she's not stupid but she's just not credible.
 
Impossible, they are being completely drowned out by right wing media and social media , no one cares about their achievements and what good they have already done. It’s pure abuse and annihilation and it won’t let up.
I can picture you, watching Starmer on TV saying how well he's doing, then, when questioned you stick your fingers in your ears, jump up and down and and sing "na na na na na" repeatedly until Two Keir reappears. Turn it in, he's not much better than Truss, (although he probably edges her in a positive way), ballsed up big time but you don't want to believe it.
 

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