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bluenova said:
I appreciate that. I used to work in Hackney, alongside plenty of political activists, including people who knew Diane, and that view is not unusual in the slightest. I also wouldn't presume to dismiss, or even discuss, her own experiences, when clearly she's faced abuse, and challenges way beyond anything in my life.

The initial article she replied to, however, was about day to day abuse faced by people from a variety of ethnic groups, and a couple of dismissive paragraphs, was not a nuanced or thoughtful response. Have a look at the hundreds of articles and responses written at the time - even people defending her tended to argue that what she said went too far, and that it was reasonable for her to apologise. The issue yesterday is that she wasn't making a totally separate argument, she clearly linked this to the arguments she made at that time and that's what I found disappointing.
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I used to drink with some councillors and various bods at the bar in Lambeth Town Hall in the good old Ted Knight days back in the 80's. I'd just got back from living in Nigeria and my best mate was a Malawian political refugee who worked as their Town Twinning Officer, this topic came up a lot. That was the line then and it's really found wider traction with the growth of identity politics.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I do also, I scrolled on Instagram yesterday and come across a video of Farage standing up and the whole house laughing and heckling- all the comments underneath were ‘look at the disrespect’ , ‘trying to silence him’, ‘they’re all scared of him’ etc

What the video didn’t show was the 10 seconds before where the PM mentioned liars and grifters and the house speaker then called for a question from Farage. If i hadn't of known that then i'd also have though Farage was just being heckled and shouted down for no reason but to speak.

Very cleverly edited and the comments are so obvious right wing bot accounts.

But that’s just one example how social media can totally influence and sway peoples thinking.
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Respect for Starmer if he knew Farage would be called next and teed him up with the liars and grifters jibe.
 
bluenova said:
I appreciate that. I used to work in Hackney, alongside plenty of political activists, including people who knew Diane, and that view is not unusual in the slightest. I also wouldn't presume to dismiss, or even discuss, her own experiences, when clearly she's faced abuse, and challenges way beyond anything in my life.

The initial article she replied to, however, was about day to day abuse faced by people from a variety of ethnic groups, and a couple of dismissive paragraphs, was not a nuanced or thoughtful response. Have a look at the hundreds of articles and responses written at the time - even people defending her tended to argue that what she said went too far, and that it was reasonable for her to apologise. The issue yesterday is that she wasn't making a totally separate argument, she clearly linked this to the arguments she made at that time and that's what I found disappointing.
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You're right, I believe the reason she was suspended was not because of what she said recently, but the fact she clearly retracted her apology for what she'd said previously.

It's important to understand where's she's coming from on this, because it explains the rationale around reparations.

Reparations for slavery and colonialism only make sense if you see these things not as historical events that happened many generations ago by folk long dead, but as a symptom of a malaise baked into whiteness itself. That is the line that connects white folk living today to the slavers and colonialists of the past and reparations must be paid because whites still carry that malaise.

Put simply, slavery and empire were just spikes in white racism in a unbroken line to the present day. So all white folk must pay for the crimes committed long ago because those crimes were not just the actions of individuals but a symptom of the racism inherent in the whiteness of those individuals, our white forefathers, which whites still carry and it is that unbroken line that makes all whites living right now culpable.
 
Hertzblue said:
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Keep up the good work !
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They are either too brainwashed or stupid not to be able to acknowledge that legal immigration is NOT an issue. Illegal immigration is and is costing us a fortune and must be addressed.

Labour and Conservatives have both failed miserably in attempting to deal with it... still, they'll learn... eventually.

I love the fact that anyone who voices concern over illehal immigration is a racist and a Reform supporter.

I will vote REform next time, not in support of Reform but against Labour and the Conservatives....

Still let them have their fun in their own little protected cocoon.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
They are either too brainwashed or stupid not to be able to acknowledge that legal immigration is NOT an issue. Illegal immigration is and is costing us a fortune and must be addressed.

Labour and Conservatives have both failed miserably in attempting to deal with it... still, they'll learn... eventually.

I love the fact that anyone who voices concern over illehal immigration is a racist and a Reform supporter.

I will vote REform next time, not in support of Reform but against Labour and the Conservatives....

Still let them have their fun in their own little protected cocoon.
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There are plenty that think legal migration is an issue too, regardless of if they’re reform voters or not.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
They are either too brainwashed or stupid not to be able to acknowledge that legal immigration is NOT an issue. Illegal immigration is and is costing us a fortune and must be addressed.

Labour and Conservatives have both failed miserably in attempting to deal with it... still, they'll learn... eventually.

I love the fact that anyone who voices concern over illehal immigration is a racist and a Reform supporter.

I will vote REform next time, not in support of Reform but against Labour and the Conservatives....

Still let them have their fun in their own little protected cocoon.
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Why not vote Green or LibDem if it's purely a vote against Labour or Conservative and "not in support of Reform"?

Just admit it, it's not a protest vote at all, you're fully signed up to the Floundering Foursome. And you say others on here have been brainwashed!
 
hampshireblue said:
Why not vote Green or LibDem if it's purely a vote against Labour or Conservative and "not in support of Reform"?

Just admit it, it's not a protest vote at all, you're fully signed up to the Floundering Foursome. And you say others on here have been brainwashed!
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I’m not sure why he can’t just admit that he’s voting Reform because he supports some or all of their policies. I’ve got a couple of mates who are Reform supporters but last year on the day of the General Election, one claimed he wasn’t voting at all. The other said he didn’t know who to vote for but was done with Tory and Labour and said who else is out there but Reform to stop the other 2 getting in? I told him why not vote Lib Dem then, especially as they were popular in his constituency. There was no answer and lo and behold, the Lib Dems won that seat from the Tories. It later came out that he’d already cast his vote for Reform but for some reason he was reluctant to admit it at the time.
 
M18CTID said:
I’m not sure why he can’t just admit that he’s voting Reform because he supports some or all of their policies. I’ve got a couple of mates who are Reform supporters but last year on the day of the General Election, one claimed he wasn’t voting at all. The other said he didn’t know who to vote for but was done with Tory and Labour and said who else is out there but Reform to stop the other 2 getting in? I told him why not vote Lib Dem then, especially as they were popular in his constituency. There was no answer and lo and behold, the Lib Dems won that seat from the Tories. It later came out that he’d already cast his vote for Reform but for some reason he was reluctant to admit it at the time.
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Unless you're a dye in the wool supporter, 4 or even 1 year/s before an election is too early to know-isn't it?
 
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