ID cards.

urban genie said:
Section 50 of the Police Reform Act allows the police to ask for your name and address if they believe you are, or have been, engaging in anti-social behaviour.

with this it will be madatory, dangerous path into a police state
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They’ve already stopped you and asked for your name and address. Not being allowed to stop you or ask for your details was on the other side of the Rubicon.
 
BobKowalski said:
That’s just an argument for choice, but even a voluntary scheme will not be ‘voluntary’ if companies, both public and private, require you to use a Govt ID to access services. The left/right argument is redundant as a digital economy will require a standardised ID. Even the right to vote is tied to a photo ID these days. If you make a fundamental right such as voting dependent on a photo ID the Govt has to introduce a standardised ID to ensure equal voting access for everyone.
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well it is as if you are that arsed about it you choose not to work for them, I applied for a job and required an alcohol liscence so I got one, if I was bother about me having photo ID requirements I wouldn't have.


Plus all governent and most public sectors worker as well as many private employment require a DBS already so checks are already in place on such staff.

On elections we all know that was brought in to discourage certain sections of society voting who would most likely not vote for the gocernment of the day.
 
Really_here said:
It might help if all employers followed the rules but the ones who don't now will continue regardless. Having the law is stage one, enforcing it is the trick. It's against the law to shoplift isn't it?
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It becomes simpler to prosecute if hiring is dependant on production of a standardised national ID rather then ‘yes I did check and his mate vouched for him and he had a council tax letter and a leccie bill and what’s the harm it was just a bit of cash in hand?’

No scheme eliminates the issue, it just makes it harder to get around the issue or plead ignorance.
 
BobKowalski said:
They’ve already stopped you and asked for your name and address. Not being allowed to stop you or ask for your details was on the other side of the Rubicon.
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I have been stopped under section 60 at away games before and refused to give them my details as it isn't legally required, as it was getting off a connecting train obce and also in a pub garden, the police couldn't force it, now it will be mandatory and football fans especially will be targetted as with the DNA spray

I have never been section 50'd as I am a law abiding citizen.



I honestly don't see how any football fan doesn't have an issue with this the way we are still demonised.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
it will. This will make it much much more difficult for individuals without legal status to gain employment.

All working adults will be required to present a digital ID when starting a new job. This ID will be linked to a central database.
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What bit of “illegal” didn’t you understand?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It's another dent to illegal workers and criminal gangs, its not a major deal. we just now live in a time where everyone has to be outraged by any government decision.
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If they wanted to put a proper dent in criminal gangs they’d try a different approach to their drugs policy. Instead of the ridiculous way they’ve been going about it and failing for decades.
 
City Hobgoblin said:
Are governments not allowed to think on their feet and adapt policies to developing situations?
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Right so they’ve just suddenly come up with this policy then? (This was absolutely planned). This problem has been going on for years as well. Are you suggesting they had no plan beforehand?

Spending billions on scheme that might help stop illegal immigration (doesn’t seem likely) whilst at the same time putting up bills and cutting spending in lots of areas. It’s not exactly a great look is it
 
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urban genie said:
well it is as if you are that arsed about it you choose not to work for them, I applied for a job and required an alcohol liscence so I got one, if I was bother about me having photo ID requirements I wouldn't have.


Plus all governent and most public sectors worker as well as many private employment require a DBS already so checks are already in place on such staff.

On elections we all know that was brought in to discourage certain sections of society voting who would most likely not vote for the gocernment of the day.
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Yes, so the argument now becomes - do you standardise all photo ID requirements into one document for a variety of services including the right to vote or work in this country?

As a native born Englishman, I do understand the instinctive rejection of being compelled to carry proof that I have the right to live or work here or ‘produce my papers’. But as I carry a photo ID driving licence (which I have to produce just to visit the bloody rubbish tip of all places) I can see the absurdity of having differing photo ID’s dependent on what I want to do. And in an increasingly digital economy a digital ID wallet is inevitable. This is as much about the economy that is to come rather than the world we grew up in. It’s for the next generation, not ours.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Whats the problem proving who you are? Don’t want ID card carry your passport on you, don’t have a passport carry your driving licence, don’t have one of them get an ID card. How many people just click cookies on the internet etc if your worried about people getting your information I’m sorry to inform you they already have it, they know you like dog porn and shopping at Primark.
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Fuck me, shopping at Primark, now that is the lowest of the low.
I don't mind people knowing I watch dog porn but if my mate's found out I shop at Primark I would never hear the end of it. :)
 
BobKowalski said:
Yes, so the argument now becomes - do you standardise all photo ID requirements into one document for a variety of services including the right to vote or work in this country?

As a native born Englishman, I do understand the instinctive rejection of being compelled to carry proof that I have the right to live or work here or ‘produce my papers’. But as I carry a photo ID driving licence (which I have to produce just to visit the bloody rubbish tip of all places) I can see the absurdity of having differing photo ID’s dependent on what I want to do. And in an increasingly digital economy a digital ID wallet is inevitable. This is as much about the economy that is to come rather than the world we grew up in. It’s for the next generation, not ours.
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I live in Spain but have sterling bank accounts for my pensions.
The NatWest and Halifax are protecting my and their money by checking my identity with facial recognition and voice recognition with fingerprint an option.

This check is here now so why not embrace a similar systems for quicker
ID checks.
 
BobKowalski said:
As a native born Englishman, I do understand the instinctive rejection of being compelled to carry proof that I have the right to live or work here or ‘produce my papers’.
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Is it worth pointing out that no one is suggesting this will be the case?

If they wanted to make carrying ID a requirement, the government would have to change the law and get it through commons and lords which it wouldn’t even if they tried.

From what we’ve heard so far, with Starmer outlining more details in a few minutes, the proposal is not much more than linking a photo to your NI.
 
domalino said:
Is it worth pointing out that no one is suggesting this will be the case?

If they wanted to make carrying ID a requirement, the government would have to change the law and get it through commons and lords which it wouldn’t even if they tried.
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Yes :)
 
domalino said:
Is it worth pointing out that no one is suggesting this will be the case?

If they wanted to make carrying ID a requirement, the government would have to change the law and get it through commons and lords which it wouldn’t even if they tried.

From what we’ve heard so far, with Starmer outlining more details in a few minutes, the proposal is not much more than linking a photo to your NI.
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Is it going to be like the Swedish system with the personummer? If so apparently it is really good but gaining access at the start is a ballache.
 
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