Autophagy (and fasting).

Does that not affect you energy?

I do feel if you're squashing your window down a fair bit you could potentially skip a meal.
I had a late lunch and then an early evening meal (lunch at 2, meal at 6) and was still fairly full from the 2pm meal.

Could've feasibly skipped that evening meal, or at least substantially reduced it.

Then again, I'm training and running a lot more now so the balance seems right.
Few pounds to go before I feel I'm at my optimum 'look and feel' (rather than weight, which I barely ever look at).

After this, less calorie intakes and I'll start looking skinny assed....
I don’t feel any lack of energy. I play tennis 6 mornings a week, gym 4 days and play rugby twice a week.

On the rugby days I usually have a protein shake an hour or so before training as well as before my lunchtime gym session.

So I’m usually playing sport/working out twice a day. I do allow myself a short half hour nap in the mid-afternoon which I know most people can’t do and that usually recharges my brain as much as anything.

I feel I have a great deal more energy each day now (at 41) than I had 15 years ago when I was less well in shape.
 
I don’t feel any lack of energy. I play tennis 6 mornings a week, gym 4 days and play rugby twice a week.

On the rugby days I usually have a protein shake an hour or so before training as well as before my lunchtime gym session.

So I’m usually playing sport/working out twice a day. I do allow myself a short half hour nap in the mid-afternoon which I know most people can’t do and that usually recharges my brain as much as anything.

I feel I have a great deal more energy each day now (at 41) than I had 15 years ago when I was less well in shape.
Fair play, sounds great, have to say I don’t have time for all that. How do you fit it all in with work? (If you do, I don’t know your personal circumstances). I work 10.5 hours a day Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 7 hours Thursday (sometimes extended hours during those days). Always take Friday, Saturday, Sunday off, unless something very bad is happening. Have to say Friday is a write off as I’m bolloxed. I try to get out and play golf as much as I can. Couldn’t keep up your regime but I’m nearly 60..
 
Fair play, sounds great, have to say I don’t have time for all that. How do you fit it all in with work? (If you do, I don’t know your personal circumstances). I work 10.5 hours a day Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 7 hours Thursday (sometimes extended hours during those days). Always take Friday, Saturday, Sunday off, unless something very bad is happening. Have to say Friday is a write off as I’m bolloxed. I try to get out and play golf as much as I can. Couldn’t keep up your regime but I’m nearly 60..

You could if you had retired at 40 like @SWP's back ;)
 
Fair play, sounds great, have to say I don’t have time for all that. How do you fit it all in with work? (If you do, I don’t know your personal circumstances). I work 10.5 hours a day Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 7 hours Thursday (sometimes extended hours during those days). Always take Friday, Saturday, Sunday off, unless something very bad is happening. Have to say Friday is a write off as I’m bolloxed. I try to get out and play golf as much as I can. Couldn’t keep up your regime but I’m nearly 60..
I’m semi-retired mate and live in a time zone 7 hours ahead of most of my clients so my mornings to mid to late afternoons are very much my own. I know I’m relatively privileged to be in that position.

Where I live is very much a community centred around the golf and country club (sounds grander than it is) and everyone is very sporty as there’s not much else to do (no bars or clubs etc). It’s not everyone’s idea of bliss but I enjoy it having been here a couple of years and we’ve got a couple of years left with my wife’s contract so I’m making use of it whilst I can.
 
I’m semi-retired mate and live in a time zone 7 hours ahead of most of my clients so my mornings to mid to late afternoons are very much my own. I know I’m relatively privileged to be in that position.

Where I live is very much a community centred around the golf and country club (sounds grander than it is) and everyone is very sporty as there’s not much else to do (no bars or clubs etc). It’s not everyone’s idea of bliss but I enjoy it having been here a couple of years and we’ve got a couple of years left with my wife’s contract so I’m making use of it whilst I can.
Sounds ideal pal. Enjoy it..
 
I don’t feel any lack of energy. I play tennis 6 mornings a week, gym 4 days and play rugby twice a week.

On the rugby days I usually have a protein shake an hour or so before training as well as before my lunchtime gym session.

So I’m usually playing sport/working out twice a day. I do allow myself a short half hour nap in the mid-afternoon which I know most people can’t do and that usually recharges my brain as much as anything.

I feel I have a great deal more energy each day now (at 41) than I had 15 years ago when I was less well in shape.
That's some regime tbf.

I do something gym wise every day: either weights first thing, to long walk. 2 yoga classes a week and one pilates and started to up my running again (hamstring issues have prevented me fully returning).

Usually add a good walk in the evening (before gym session).

I've started protein shakes too.

I feel as I don't eat a great deal (light breakfast at 11 - fruit and nuts with a bit of milk), light lunch then a meal around 6 and that's it....but I'm struggling to shave of these last few pounds. I suspect not running as much is the reason for that (the weight used to drop off when I was running more frequently).
 
5 weeks in and down 15 lbs and 5.5cm off my waiste. I'm went up to the attic at the weekend and im wearing clothes I've not worn for years.

I'm doing 4 days fasting ( Monday to Thursday) my first meal is dinner at around 5 6. I drink a lot of water and coffee. Outside the fast period I'm pretty much eating and drinking whatever I want. I have noticed I'm fuller quicker and making better choices though. Less bread and butter for example. On Friday I do a half fast. I can eat from 12pm. I wfh so I treat myself to a nice lunch. Weekends I eat whatever I want.

I have noticed that Im really getting into the prep of food and thinking about what I will eat and tasting and appreciating food more than I normally do.

I noticed on other get fit or diets I've done before that around the 6 week period I stop them. Not sure why tbh. Maybe get a bit bored. It will be interesting to see if I can carry this on. Overall Ive got to say it's been the easiest diet I've ever tried.

Target weight another 15lbs. Let's see how I get on.

Good luck to anyone else on the diet.
 
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Down from 110kg to 99kg now and fasting midweeks from 8pm to 6pm. So 22 hours now and eating in a 2 hour window. Finding it ok. Last few hours a bit of a challenge but not too bad. Only do it midweek. Weekends normal.
 
Bump!

I've been reading this thread with interest and also reading up about the right nutrition(and youtube vlogs) before and after fasting.

Reason being is I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 6 months ago because I drank too much alcohol and had far too much takeaway and processed food. I was also in a bad way mentally suffering anxiety and depression largely due to having incessant acute tinnitus every waking hour. I was always tired with low energy which caused a low mood much of the time.

I was warned by my doctor to reduce my alcohol and start eating healthier and although I cut down on drinking I continued eating the wrong foods. My fault I know but at the time I ate foods containing far too much sugar, salt bad oils and other nasties and as a consequence I am on three 500mg of metformin a day, one 40mg of atorvorstatin and 1 50mg of sertraline. And I have to monitor my blood sugar levels once a day.

I feel as though I've let myself down as I've never had to have constant prescription drugs until earlier this year. I'm 61 and was fit and healthy before tinnitus affected my sleep with screaming pain in both ears. I suppose so it could be worse and I could be on several tablets per day for various ailments.

Within the last month I've reduced as much sugar in my diet as I can eating more healthy food but it's going to take time and effort to reduce my blood sugar levels which I'm prepared to do.

My tinnitus has meant I've been unable to work because of sleep deprivation(it's that bad!) and although I've learned to cope with it it still plays havoc, plus I suffer from Sad and had a really bad winter, something I aim to conquer this coming winter.

My aim is to eat healthy food, drink more water and cut down alcohol to moderate amounts. I've just enrolled for a year at Tameside liv-active to gym and swim and participate in exercise classes.

When I increase my fitness I will increase my mental health because exercise is key to releasing those feel good endorphins which stabilise the seretonin spirit level in the brain.

I don't want to be on type 2 meds and Sertraline for depression because I've read that Metformin only helps regulate my blood sugar levels, not cure the root cause of high insulin levels which fasting does. And I don't think Sertraline has helped much so far tbh.

I really want to get to being as good as I can be for my age and am determined to become type 2 free and free from prescription drugs that have side affects. I want to lose a stone and have muscle definition like I had in my early to mid 50s but it will take time determination and lots of effort to achieve my goals. I also intend doing voluntary work before hopefully getting back into paid employment.

Have any of you become type 2 free through diet exercise and fasting because I'm interested to know.

I intend starting a fast for 16 hours and increasing each fast by 6 hours each time working up to a 3 day water only fast. When I achieve that I'd like to do 4 days then 5 and 6 before a full week. I intend to use pure non flavor electrolytes and a fresh lemon juice added to water from day 2 to help alleviate headaches hunger and cramps.

The key is to eat the right nutritional food before and after fasting so when I finish I'll take the advice of experts and have bone broth at the ready.

There's loads of good advice on YouTube on the benefits of fasting and reducing blood sugar to safe levels negating type 2 diabetes.

I've watched several experts on fasting who pretty much agree on the(potential) long-term benefits of each stage of fasting.

Thiese guy knows what they are talking about on fasting and nutrition and makes it easier(than some other) to understand and learn.





 
All I would say it that a study came out recently of 19000 people, which is a pretty large sample size.

Now, the first large-scale study of its kind raises a more serious red flag. Researchers, analysing data from more than 19,000 adults, found that those who confined their eating to less than eight hours a day faced a 135% higher risk of dying from cardiovascular disease - issues with the heart and blood vessel - than people who ate over 12-14 hours.

An elevated cardiovascular risk means that, based on a person's health, lifestyle and medical data, they are more likely than others in the study to develop heart-related problems such as heart attack or stroke.

No evidence of increased mortality overall though, so it looks like a case of pick your poison.

It may be a case, of course, that it's helpful for a specific health issue like diabetes, but personally I'd try and get an appointment with a dietician for that sort of thing rather than relying on Youtube experts.

Also make sure you do your research on who you listen to. This guy presents himself as Dr. Nick Zyrowski, but a quick look suggests he owns a company selling supplements. A further bit of digging shows that he worked for 10 years as a chiropractor, and his education was a Life University, who claim to be a 'leading chiropractic and holistic health' uni. In other words, he's not a medical doctor, but uses the name 'doctor' in all of his public-facing work. Which isn't to say that what he's saying is wrong, but if it's right, I'd imagine you can find a better source that's not saying it as a way to sell you a bunch of shit.
 
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Bump!

I've been reading this thread with interest and also reading up about the right nutrition(and youtube vlogs) before and after fasting.

Reason being is I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 6 months ago because I drank too much alcohol and had far too much takeaway and processed food. I was also in a bad way mentally suffering anxiety and depression largely due to having incessant acute tinnitus every waking hour. I was always tired with low energy which caused a low mood much of the time.

I was warned by my doctor to reduce my alcohol and start eating healthier and although I cut down on drinking I continued eating the wrong foods. My fault I know but at the time I ate foods containing far too much sugar, salt bad oils and other nasties and as a consequence I am on three 500mg of metformin a day, one 40mg of atorvorstatin and 1 50mg of sertraline. And I have to monitor my blood sugar levels once a day.

I feel as though I've let myself down as I've never had to have constant prescription drugs until earlier this year. I'm 61 and was fit and healthy before tinnitus affected my sleep with screaming pain in both ears. I suppose so it could be worse and I could be on several tablets per day for various ailments.

Within the last month I've reduced as much sugar in my diet as I can eating more healthy food but it's going to take time and effort to reduce my blood sugar levels which I'm prepared to do.

My tinnitus has meant I've been unable to work because of sleep deprivation(it's that bad!) and although I've learned to cope with it it still plays havoc, plus I suffer from Sad and had a really bad winter, something I aim to conquer this coming winter.

My aim is to eat healthy food, drink more water and cut down alcohol to moderate amounts. I've just enrolled for a year at Tameside liv-active to gym and swim and participate in exercise classes.

When I increase my fitness I will increase my mental health because exercise is key to releasing those feel good endorphins which stabilise the seretonin spirit level in the brain.

I don't want to be on type 2 meds and Sertraline for depression because I've read that Metformin only helps regulate my blood sugar levels, not cure the root cause of high insulin levels which fasting does. And I don't think Sertraline has helped much so far tbh.

I really want to get to being as good as I can be for my age and am determined to become type 2 free and free from prescription drugs that have side affects. I want to lose a stone and have muscle definition like I had in my early to mid 50s but it will take time determination and lots of effort to achieve my goals. I also intend doing voluntary work before hopefully getting back into paid employment.

Have any of you become type 2 free through diet exercise and fasting because I'm interested to know.

I intend starting a fast for 16 hours and increasing each fast by 6 hours each time working up to a 3 day water only fast. When I achieve that I'd like to do 4 days then 5 and 6 before a full week. I intend to use pure non flavor electrolytes and a fresh lemon juice added to water from day 2 to help alleviate headaches hunger and cramps.

The key is to eat the right nutritional food before and after fasting so when I finish I'll take the advice of experts and have bone broth at the ready.

There's loads of good advice on YouTube on the benefits of fasting and reducing blood sugar to safe levels negating type 2 diabetes.

I've watched several experts on fasting who pretty much agree on the(potential) long-term benefits of each stage of fasting.

Thiese guy knows what they are talking about on fasting and nutrition and makes it easier(than some other) to understand and learn.






Fair play to you mate - it's not easy making substantial life changes (I certainly need to be doing better), but also don't beat yourself up about it!

Your tinitus sounds horrific and prolonged sleep deprivation is going to effect you severely.

My only observation to the above is to not try and take on too much at once. If you want to go at fasting, get the hard parts of that out of the way and when comfortable with it, implement your other bits.

You should see very positive results just from fasting and gym sessions, just try and keep it all a little less busy.

You are very much on a right track............
 
I have usually found that people who stay too thin as they get older end up looking like a battered school satchel, and I am not sure how being that thin is healthy because if you catch a bit of flu or an illness it'll eat you away faster.

EDIT I AM NOT A DOCTOR OR PHYSICIAN IF YOU LISTEN TO ME YOU'RE OFF YOUR HEAD.
 
All I would say it that a study came out recently of 19000 people, which is a pretty large sample size.



No evidence of increased mortality overall though, so it looks like a case of pick your poison.

It may be a case, of course, that it's helpful for a specific health issue like diabetes, but personally I'd try and get an appointment with a dietician for that sort of thing rather than relying on Youtube experts.

Also make sure you do your research on who you listen to. This guy presents himself as Dr. Nick Zyrowski, but a quick look suggests he owns a company selling supplements. A further bit of digging shows that he worked for 10 years as a chiropractor, and his education was a Life University, who claim to be a 'leading chiropractic and holistic health' uni. In other words, he's not a medical doctor, but uses the name 'doctor' in all of his public-facing work. Which isn't to say that what he's saying is wrong, but if it's right, I'd imagine you can find a better source that's not saying it as a way to sell you a bunch of shit.
You responded to my post 24 minutes after mine so you've obviously spent that time researching 'Dr Nick' and quickly deducing him as a charaltan instead of watching and listening to what he had to say. I have binged watched lots of fasting and nutrition and supplement advice on this subject and I'm learning fast on how the body works and I'm particularly interested in lowering my blood sugar to safe levels without ongoing prescription medication that I'll probably need more of if i don't sort my diet and lifestyle out myself.

And in time i will be no longer on type 2 medication and on an anti depressant, mark my words; )

I don't want to be another guinea pig for my GP to try out medication on me because he has a vested interest in pharmaceutical companies he gets a bung from for plying us full of drugs, some of which do more harm than good.

Fuck that! Mother nature provides most nutrients and vitamins in food and herbs which our forefathers used to consume without knowing the beneficial properties of what certain foods contained. And good old herbal remedies like using dandelion and burdock in a blood tonic donkeys years before it first became a carbonated pop. I know that because my dad used to get me to go to Harrops chemist in Ashton for a bottle.

Most Governments of the world want the masses to carry on eating sugary ultra processed junk food because there's fuckin' multi billions to be made from chronic heart disease kidney failure type 1 and 2 diabetes plus many other life shortening diseases. Many good healthy foods are expensive for a reason!

They tell us to eat plenty of fresh salmon but only the wealthy can afford the good stuff. They advertise fresh Scottish salmon as a super food packed 'dull' of goodness. Is is fuck its full of toxins and harmful chemicals and nasties from eating only high protein pellets in polluted water to fatten them up as soon as possible. All those nasties they eat we absorb when we eat! I wouldn't eat that shit for free.

Fatality rates particularly from cancer and heart and liver disease have never been as high and will only get higher because of all the junk we constantly feed our faces with.

Butter was frowned upon for many years as being a bad fat. It's been proven not to be but I've always eaten because it tastes great and a natural product unlike shite like margarine and I can't believe it's not butter type spreads. I can because it's fuckin' not butter and never will be.

Most South Asians have used ghee(clarified butter) for thousands of years until they were hoodwinked into using vegetable oil, why? Well probably because they thought it a healthy oil that was cheap. And it's since been proven that ghee is healthy and vegetable has fast become a very unhealthy oil that is a major cause of cancer and heart problems. Cancer was very rare before the use of ghee so another continent has sucummed to westernised foods. American type fast food and all the nasties they contain and are cooked with.

I believe in eating beneficial healthy foods with regular excersise and intermittent fasting is the way forward but not many medical experts will tell you the truth of losing weight by starving bad gut health, detoxifying our organs, ketosis, lipolysis autophagy, and best of all insulin control collagen and new stem cell growth after 36 hours of a water only (electrolytes and fresh lemon juice allowed) because they want us to stay a pharmasutical drugs guinea pig till you and I pop our clogs!

You are indeed what you eat as they say.

Famine or feast? Only you can decide what's best for you...
 
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Fair play to you mate - it's not easy making substantial life changes (I certainly need to be doing better), but also don't beat yourself up about it!

Your tinitus sounds horrific and prolonged sleep deprivation is going to effect you severely.

My only observation to the above is to not try and take on too much at once. If you want to go at fasting, get the hard parts of that out of the way and when comfortable with it, implement your other bits.

You should see very positive results just from fasting and gym sessions, just try and keep it all a little less busy.

You are very much on a right track............
Thanks pal. I need to do it for me first and foremost. I have set myself a big lifestyle change and intend to see it though.

Yes my tinnitus is indeed horrific. It's kept me awake all night so I booked an early November 10 day flight and car hire to Agadir in Morocco. I was there the week we won the league in 2019 and watched the game on my FireStick. Would have been at the game had my cousin asked me if the dates were OK without booking it. Was a toss up between Morocco and Tunisia but I think the food and culture of Moroccans, particularly the poor but happy indigenous berber people I met in the small town of Mirlift. I'm looking forward to eating a lamb and chicken with veg tagine and eating some more of the best dates I've ever had, but only 3 a day. I'll deffo bring do home with bottles of argan oil and spices and another tagine. I love simple North african/middle Eastern food. So natural tasting full of goodness like it has been for thousands of years.

Here's something which puzzled me through fatigue and brain fog. I was feeling tired and ready to drop off at 8 and my alarm tarted ringing. I thought it was my tablet alarm so I tried turning it off but couldn't when I tried to. I couldn't find the alarm on symbol for 8 am. I tried restarting my tablet but it kept ringing on repeat so I turned my tablet off and hid it in a suitcase in the wardrobe, still it kept ringing. I was totally perplexed and ready to smash it against the wall. Good job it dawned on me it was my phone alarm on the floor next to my bed lol.

The good news is I haven't eaten for 15 hours and won't do until after I wake up whenever that transpires to be. I'm thinking of not eating all day and night till tomorrow morning if I feel ok. If I get to 8 am I'll have done a 36 hour fast without even trying.
I checked my blood sugar around 7 this morning and was decent at 7.3. I know I'm taking a risk so I hope I can get through till 8am tomorrow morning without any food and medication.
 
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