PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

give it to gordon said:
City sell tickets to tourists we moan. Alot of new fans will come from all over the country and be young, there for need their parents to bring them.
The difficulties in getting seats next to each other, the cost. I know City have reduced them but for a family its still alot.
New fans parents might not support City, i wouldn't take any of my lads to support dippers or rags.
Then we have the FOC's like me the thought of a 12hr round trip isn't as appealing as it use to be. More piss stops lol takes half an hour to peal myself out of the car etc.
Then I'm treated to a training game of attack v defence by a team that isn't interested in the fans enjoyment. Game after game we see this and to be totally honest it doesn't appeal to me. 12 hrs in a car, a day of work to recover, games get moved to stupid ko times. 3 out of the last 4 games we were due to attend we had to cancel due to move ko time or days moved. You sort of lose interest, feel like match going fans arent important.

Plus its hard to get tickets together and I may end up sat beside some non City tourist.

Only attend one game so far Brighton away, the big games we stand no chance, the lesser park the bus games not apeal at the moment. Im hoping the fire returns and I'll attend every match i can.

I guess City have seen a market for more fans hence the new stand.

Ramble over lol
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kind of know where you're coming from. literally, as i live in croydon and used to work in deepest darkest kent. it's a proper long drive home to the north. i tend to drive at night to reduce traffic. but its no fun. now reduced to 6 just home games a season, burnley being my first of the year. the blessing for me is being able to book all 6 in july fairly easily. but like you i'm subject to games being moved. can't have beers at the football if they move it to a sunday as have that long drive back.
 
Cobwebcat said:
No it’s not. We might not like to hear it but it’s Brand that counts and if 115 was significant it would have suffered but the opposite is measurably true.
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If you were being really cynical about this you could argue that a PL game is a TV entertainment sports show, filmed in an outdoor studio. The matchday fans are just the studio audience. All the driving factors now re rules and technology (VAR) etc are all about creating more content for the enjoyment of the home viewers. The vast majority of people who see a PL game are not the fans in the stadium. Not knowing this a source of puzzlement for cartel fans, so when a raggy says "you can't generate more revenue than us because our crowds are bigger", oh bless em. However, the impact of 115 on our attendances will hopefully be a topic of conversation our legal team will be having with Masters etc in the comming months.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
If you were being really cynical about this you could argue that a PL game is a TV entertainment sports show, filmed in an outdoor studio. The matchday fans are just the studio audience. All the driving factors now re rules and technology (VAR) etc are all about creating more content for the enjoyment of the home viewers. The vast majority of people who see a PL game are not the fans in the stadium. Not knowing this a source of puzzlement for cartel fans, so when a raggy says "you can't generate more revenue than us because our crowds are bigger", oh bless em. However, the impact of 115 on our attendances will hopefully be a topic of conversation our legal team will be having with Masters etc in the comming months.
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That's exactly what it is now, but the very people who fight against it get attacked by the new bunch who want their popcorn and half ad half scarves.
 
give it to gordon said:
City sell tickets to tourists we moan. Alot of new fans will come from all over the country and be young, there for need their parents to bring them.
The difficulties in getting seats next to each other, the cost. I know City have reduced them but for a family its still alot.
New fans parents might not support City, i wouldn't take any of my lads to support dippers or rags.
Then we have the FOC's like me the thought of a 12hr round trip isn't as appealing as it use to be. More piss stops lol takes half an hour to peal myself out of the car etc.
Then I'm treated to a training game of attack v defence by a team that isn't interested in the fans enjoyment. Game after game we see this and to be totally honest it doesn't appeal to me. 12 hrs in a car, a day of work to recover, games get moved to stupid ko times. 3 out of the last 4 games we were due to attend we had to cancel due to move ko time or days moved. You sort of lose interest, feel like match going fans arent important.

Plus its hard to get tickets together and I may end up sat beside some non City tourist.

Only attend one game so far Brighton away, the big games we stand no chance, the lesser park the bus games not apeal at the moment. Im hoping the fire returns and I'll attend every match i can.

I guess City have seen a market for more fans hence the new stand.

Ramble over lol
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Sad but quite reflective of how most of my “older” City mates feel.
 
Lord Blue said:
I'd like to see a massive headline tomorrow "Premier League Victorious". The premier league have had a massive victory in the 115 case against Manchester City. The PL has investigated the allegations against biggest asset and are relieved to find that Manchester City have acted entirely within the rules. Every allegation was investigated in great depth and shown to be false. This is a huge victory for the Premier League as it proves that the last 15 years of English football were played out fairly on a level playing field. The case has proved such a drain on Richard Masters that he has decided to stand down and give someone with fresh ideas a chance. In a further victory the Premier League have managed to line Ferran Soriano up as Dicks replacement.
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That last bit in particular would be a serious piss boiler.
 
mexico1970 said:
That's exactly what it is now, but the very people who fight against it get attacked by the new bunch who want their popcorn and half ad half scarves.
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But the twist is this, all of us who are matchday fans are also TV viewers of other games, eg I really enjoyed yesterdays show from Stamford Bridge, particularly the ending. I was also 'relieved' when VAR did not intervene re the sumptuos late Chelsea winner. There's always that nuance now with every single goal (not pens), will VAR intervene ?, let's all celebrate the re-starts...
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
But the twist is this, all of us who are matchday fans are also TV viewers of other games, eg I really enjoyed yesterdays show from Stamford Bridge, particularly the ending. I was also 'relieved' when VAR did not intervene re the sumptuos late Chelsea winner. There's always that nuance now with every single goal (not pens), will VAR intervene ?, let's all celebrate the re-starts...
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We always were fans of watching other games, and I do mean always.

Being fans of other games shouldn't make fucking legacy fans over for the sake of a quick profit, the Italian game suffered badly after their heyday and the money fucked off.

The money here right now will find a new home when the time comes, after reading that the average age of a season ticket holder at Chelsea is 59 makes you wonder where all of these new traditionally honed new local fans are going to come from.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
If you were being really cynical about this you could argue that a PL game is a TV entertainment sports show, filmed in an outdoor studio. The matchday fans are just the studio audience. All the driving factors now re rules and technology (VAR) etc are all about creating more content for the enjoyment of the home viewers. The vast majority of people who see a PL game are not the fans in the stadium. Not knowing this a source of puzzlement for cartel fans, so when a raggy says "you can't generate more revenue than us because our crowds are bigger", oh bless em. However, the impact of 115 on our attendances will hopefully be a topic of conversation our legal team will be having with Masters etc in the comming months.
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You are right about Premier League football being a TV entertainment show - prime time viewing every day of the week catering to worldwide audiences.
I know folk who think there’s nothing better than watching a Premiership game on a Saturday or Sunday night. I suspect that most season ticket holders across the land would prefer Saturday 3 pm kick offs to be the norm but we are beyond the point of no return on that one.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
If you were being really cynical about this you could argue that a PL game is a TV entertainment sports show, filmed in an outdoor studio. The matchday fans are just the studio audience. All the driving factors now re rules and technology (VAR) etc are all about creating more content for the enjoyment of the home viewers. The vast majority of people who see a PL game are not the fans in the stadium. Not knowing this a source of puzzlement for cartel fans, so when a raggy says "you can't generate more revenue than us because our crowds are bigger", oh bless em. However, the impact of 115 on our attendances will hopefully be a topic of conversation our legal team will be having with Masters etc in the comming months.
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That's not cynicism but pure realism, the world has changed and footballs being dragged along, like it or not. The only way is to adapt and that would take something like really cheap ST's but for "locals" and proven club fans with a history. You would need to provide some incentive to actually attend but that leads to the current 10(?) game issues. It's not an easy nut to crack.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I’m not convinced by this. Whilst I do think the club is focussed on growing globally, I don’t think our fanbase has increased as it should over the last few years and I think that is at least partly down to the fact that we are seen as the cheating, empty seat club by the sort of people who get their football info from TikTok etc.

I think the damage caused by this case has been almost immeasurable.
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Dave I cant talk for Europe, but down here that is just not true, nobody gives a shyte about the 115, we are seen as one of the worlds top clubs and our fan base down here is bigger than the rags and dippers, probably only just behind chelsea.
 
Lord Blue said:
kind of know where you're coming from. literally, as i live in croydon and used to work in deepest darkest kent. it's a proper long drive home to the north. i tend to drive at night to reduce traffic. but its no fun. now reduced to 6 just home games a season, burnley being my first of the year. the blessing for me is being able to book all 6 in july fairly easily. but like you i'm subject to games being moved. can't have beers at the football if they move it to a sunday as have that long drive back.
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For some of us, every game is away!
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I’m basing on the fact that spurs, Everton and West Ham have been shit for years yet get as many or more fans in the stadium than we do after many years of trophies and superstars.
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Why do people keep repeating this nonsense that the stadium isn't full? 52,249 average over the 3 PL home games with a current limit of 52,900. The fact that Old Toilet, The Other Oil Stadium, WHU, Spuds and Dipperfield have (currently) bigger stadiums is either here nor there.
 
Centurions said:
Why do people keep repeating this nonsense that the stadium isn't full? 52,249 average over the 3 PL home games with a current limit of 52,900. The fact that Old Toilet, The Other Oil Stadium, WHU, Spuds and Dipperfield have (currently) bigger stadiums is either here nor there.
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I was going to say, the last time I looked at this our attendance percentages were about equal to all similar English clubs (and more full than Barcelona, Real etc with admittedly bigger stadiums). Anyway, the club will be seeing 95%+ full stadium as "sold out", hence the new stand. A far cry from mid-2010s where some sections of the ground were closed for cup and some European games.
 
Lord Blue said:
I'd like to see a massive headline tomorrow "Premier League Victorious". The premier league have had a massive victory in the 115 case against Manchester City. The PL has investigated the allegations against biggest asset and are relieved to find that Manchester City have acted entirely within the rules. Every allegation was investigated in great depth and shown to be false. This is a huge victory for the Premier League as it proves that the last 15 years of English football were played out fairly on a level playing field. The case has proved such a drain on Richard Masters that he has decided to stand down and give someone with fresh ideas a chance. In a further victory the Premier League have managed to line Ferran Soriano up as Dicks replacement.
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This will be close to the truth. The line they will peddle is:”We had no choice but to act. We had to protect the integrity of the Premier League.”
 
manimanc said:
Tomorrow is it then?

Makes sense to me. No games. International break. Pep won't be doing his pressers. The press will be briefed i presume to keep the silly questions down to a minimum or be told to not ask about it.

Really hope so as it will be rolling into 3 years next February.
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I would like to see a press conference scheduled by the club with khaldoon leading the way tbh. It shouldn’t be left to pep. He can have his say at the pre match interview.

This one needs khaldoon front and centre leaving no doubt of our innocence.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I’m not convinced by this. Whilst I do think the club is focussed on growing globally, I don’t think our fanbase has increased as it should over the last few years and I think that is at least partly down to the fact that we are seen as the cheating, empty seat club by the sort of people who get their football info from TikTok etc.

I think the damage caused by this case has been almost immeasurable.
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Have you ever spoken to anyone whilst you’ve been away that’s not from the UK about City? I have and not one has anyone ever mentioned the charges, not sure they are even aware tbh.
 
manimanc said:
Tomorrow is it then?

Makes sense to me. No games. International break. Pep won't be doing his pressers. The press will be briefed i presume to keep the silly questions down to a minimum or be told to not ask about it.

Really hope so as it will be rolling into 3 years next February.
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Or maybe the can gets kicked down the road for as long as possible. I'm sure they can manage at least another year if they try...
 
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