PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[spider blue]

Although I agree there are some members who have greater influence and there have been moves against City by said clubs. If we did have full irrefutable evidence to counter the claims, I'm not sure the process would have taken the full 12 weeks and we would be waiting this long for a verdict. My personal opinion is there is some sensitivity here that may have implications hence they are taking this long. Whether thats on City or the PL, I've no idea. I also am in the camp that City have no clue as to the verdict as per Pannicks email etc.

Those emails that were published post the UEFA charges, if taken in isolation are quite damning and I was told they were genuine emails. I had a chat with someone back in June who is still in contact with people at City after leaving a senior post there last year, he said the legal team were quietly confident and all will hopefully be good. Although I'd expect City to say that to everyone.

You and I have worked across similar industries in large corporations, we both know how they like to spin things when things maybe dicey. Do I fully believe press release and thing that comes out of the chairman's mouth, "No".

Thanks for cheering us all up. Not.

 

[SilverFox2]

Maybe, but that sounds suspiciously like the argument that the leaked emails are definite proof of the club's guilt.

There was still a case for starting the investigation and referring the allegations even if Masters said in an email "we are going to screw the bastards".

Remember the APT case where some guy from Brighton (iirc) said in an email the PL has to stop the Gulf states, but he was allowed to say in the arbitration that, even though he said it, that wasn't what he meant, and all was hunky-dory. Same if Masters actually sent my imaginary email. Same as Pierce saying in an email that Mansour would "arrange" funding for Etihad but then later explaining he was not meaning "arranging" but rather was meaning "arranging".

All imho.

Unlike the ex Chelsea owner Mr Abromovic who actioned or threatened legal action at most disagreements our owners either deliberately or with a purpose have chosen legal action as a last resort then followed up Mr A style on anything that threatened that original legal action.
Why this has happened I don't know but it has made a hubris ridden PL make their rules according to UK law and not unfair as they previously were.

In the meantime we have seen our team win trophy after trophy year after year the very thing this PL unfairness was supposed to prevent

Well done the whole management and owners of City we back you to the hilt whatever the 115+ outcome.

 

[crystal_mais]

It’s worth remembering that it’s not the premier leagues money that they are playing with but the member clubs.

Agreed - but imagine the clubs outside the obvious and how they are feeling if this was just a waste of money to damage our reputation to make the others happy. They all still have to buy into it otherwise there will be claims etc against the PL for wasting others cash.

 

[crystal_mais]

Thanks for cheering us all up. Not.

Whatever I say is not gospel, I'm just offering my balanced view - its where my head is 1 day optimistic, the next pessimistic

 

[Rammy Blue]

Whatever I say is not gospel, I'm just offering my balanced view - its where my head is 1 day optimistic, the next pessimistic

Only post when on optimistic days then please.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Only post when on optimistic days then please.

crystal_mais one day, crystal_malaise the next?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Is that an option at greggs?

Since his Masterchef demise, he’ll do anything for a tenner.

 

[give it to gordon]

There’s a total lack of perspective on here.

Do people not remember that someone on here once advocated watercress on bacon sarnies?

Yea disgrace that was, who calls their bacon butties a sarnie ?

 

[Milesvk]

We need to get David Lammy involved on this, verdict would get released in no time!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yea disgrace that was, who calls their bacon butties a sarnie ?

People who think it’s a muffin.

 

[jockblue]

Agreed - but imagine the clubs outside the obvious and how they are feeling if this was just a waste of money to damage our reputation to make the others happy. They all still have to buy into it otherwise there will be claims etc against the PL for wasting others cash.

This was a point that Kieren Maguire made the other week on The Price of Football. For clubs like Brighton, where there is no benefit if we lost all 115 or won all 115, they will wonder why they are having to shell out a seven figure sum when it doesn't impact them.

As an aside, and this may have been discussed before, but we know the PL's costs are shared by its members - what about the clubs like, say, DirtyLeeds, who weren't even in the PL when our "crimes" were said to have been committed. What about teams like Watford or Leicester who were, but are now not part of the league...

 

[citizen_maine]

As an aside, and this may have been discussed before, but we know the PL's costs are shared by its members - what about the clubs like, say, DirtyLeeds, who weren't even in the PL when our "crimes" were said to have been committed. What about teams like Watford or Leicester who were, but are now not part of the league...

My understanding is that the costs are deducted from the pot available for distribution to the clubs in any particular year. So, it will depend when the PL gets/got the bill(s) from their legal team, and when the award is finally made

 

[jockblue]

My understanding is that the costs are deducted from the pot available for distribution to the clubs in any particular year. So, it will depend when the PL gets/got the bill(s) from their legal team, and when the award is finally made

Poor old DirtyLeeds... <sniggers>

 

[Milesvk]

My understanding is that the costs are deducted from the pot available for distribution to the clubs in any particular year. So, it will depend when the PL gets/got the bill(s) from their legal team, and when the award is finally made

Is that why united and spurs tried to get themselves relegated last season, get out of not paying, sneaky fuckers!

 

[South Stand Balti]

I'm a bit worried about Burnley attempting to sue Everton for £60m. Everton were punished by the PL who then invited others to punish Everton too (by suing them). That seemed odd but I wondered if they did that with us in mind. We could win this thing by 100 to 15, but could still be punished. What scenario would allow this and is this not the biggest threat? Clubs in England and Europe invited to sue us?

 

[slbsn]

What about those that had evaluated that the risk was nugatory?

The risk is real

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I'm a bit worried about Burnley attempting to sue Everton for £60m. Everton were punished by the PL who then invited others to punish Everton too (by suing them). That seemed odd but I wondered if they did that with us in mind. We could win this thing by 100 to 15, but could still be punished. What scenario would allow this and is this not the biggest threat? Clubs in England and Europe invited to sue us?

I’d love to see them try if it’s non cooperation, as Trump highlighted Mansour has unlimited cash. How deep are the Glazers, Fenway Sports and Kroenke’s pockets to try and pull on that string.

 

[Sky Blue]

crystal_mais one day, crystal_malaise the next?

Crystal meth.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I'm a bit worried about Burnley attempting to sue Everton for £60m. Everton were punished by the PL who then invited others to punish Everton too (by suing them). That seemed odd but I wondered if they did that with us in mind. We could win this thing by 100 to 15, but could still be punished. What scenario would allow this and is this not the biggest threat? Clubs in England and Europe invited to sue us?

The PL dont want that. Everrton... They had to find them guilty and punish, open and closed case. City not so, its complicated, much much bigger than the simple breaches.

For the PL these cases hurt. Its why they push them under the carpet over the years. Hand out fines, frame it as minor breaches. (Which goes to show the politics involved in this one given how nucklear they have gone despite the damage to the product).

So, the PL will not want to open that can of worms, it damages them too. I am quite convinced they regret what they have done here, and that they want it to go away -- If possible in an open and closed case where we are guilty as can be.... But that is not the case. But they will still want it to be gone.

 

[M18CTID]

I'm a bit worried about Burnley attempting to sue Everton for £60m. Everton were punished by the PL who then invited others to punish Everton too (by suing them). That seemed odd but I wondered if they did that with us in mind. We could win this thing by 100 to 15, but could still be punished. What scenario would allow this and is this not the biggest threat? Clubs in England and Europe invited to sue us?

That all depends on whether we're found guilty of any of the more serious charges that could arguably have resulted in giving us a sporting advantage. I don't think the Mancini stuff comes close to that but if we were found to have indeed used disguised owner funding then that's serious. However, if we're cleared of all those and only found guilty of non co-operation then there is no sporting advantage gained from that.

It's all a lot more complicated than the Burnley/Everton stuff though. I think Burnley are well within their rights to sue - we can all see that if Everton's 6 point deduction had been applied at the end of the season that the offence occurred in then Burnley would've stayed up and Everton would've gone down so you can see why they feel they may have a case.

I would add that if we're cleared and information comes out where other clubs have conspired to get us nobbled then I'd like to see us sue the fuck out of all those clubs.