Assisted dying

johnny crossan said:
The champion of this bill has conceded it is not going to pass into law and will run out of time in the upper house.
www.bbc.co.uk

Assisted dying bill 'no hope' of passing unless Lords change approach, warns peer

Lord Falconer said the bill has "absolutely no hope" of passing without a "fundamental change" in approach.
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The house of Lords are out of step here. Public support is very strong for this bill and its passed at the elected level. Not doing themselves any favours.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
The house of Lords are out of step here. Public support is very strong for this bill and its passed at the elected level. Not doing themselves any favours.
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Absolutely ridiculous what they are trying to do here. They're essentially trying to make it a Bill that cannot actually be utilised by anyone. There are numerous other countries that have similar laws in place and they work effectively. In Canada they've extended it, democratically, and everyone seems to be incredibly concerned by that. We're not looking to extend it the way the Canadians have and passing this Bill into law doesn't mean we'll suddenly sign off on future amendments. I don't think assisting those who are terminal and in immense pain softens people's thinking and suddenly they want to take out people with disabilities or mental illness.

I wonder if there's something they could introduce as a pre-emptive decision to prevent it's wrongful use? Maybe like a declaration people fill out when they are undergoing treatment to say, if the time came when they were terminal and in pain they would authorise it. That way there's time for them to get the sign-off from a professional and be in the right state of mind.

It's all a bit of a joke though. My Mum's mental health was all over the place during her treatment for cancer. One time she was in hospital for an op and had just had enough and had "do not resuscitate" on her bed before my Dad challenged it and said she wasn't in the right mental state to make that call. She survived it anyway, but that will be happening all over the country and there's no robust test needed for someone to sign up to it.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
The house of Lords are out of step here. Public support is very strong for this bill and its passed at the elected level. Not doing themselves any favours.
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I don't agree that majority public support for assisted dying exists, there are very strong lobbies for both sides and Lord Sumption's position is hard to argue against.
web.archive.org

I can’t rejoice at this assisted dying bill. Where is the humanity?

After sitting as a justice of the Supreme Court, and having seen friends struggle with end-of-life choices, Jonathan Sumption believed the law should change. But he feels the new bill is over-engineered and coldly inhumane
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johnny crossan said:
I don't agree that majority public support for assisted dying exists, there are very strong lobbies for both sides and Lord Sumption's position is hard to argue against.
web.archive.org

I can’t rejoice at this assisted dying bill. Where is the humanity?

After sitting as a justice of the Supreme Court, and having seen friends struggle with end-of-life choices, Jonathan Sumption believed the law should change. But he feels the new bill is over-engineered and coldly inhumane
web.archive.org web.archive.org
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Polls consistently show 70-80% support for assisted dying in the UK.
 
KS55 said:
You cited nothing in your statement.
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are you blind as well as thick?

"The current bill contains a number of provisions designed to ensure that patients are not “pressured by any other person” into taking their own lives. The real problem, however, is not the pressure applied by “other persons”. It is assumptions which many old and ill people spontaneously make about the attitudes of the society around them. They are afraid of being an emotional or financial burden.
In a world where suicide is regarded as just another end of life choice, these unseen, unheard pressures are likely to increase. The question posed by the current bill cannot simply be whether we approve of assisted suicide. We must also ask how much risk to the genuinely vulnerable we are willing to accept in order to facilitate suicide by strong-minded, articulate individuals like Tony Nicklinson and Esther Rantzen."
 
supercity88 said:
Absolutely ridiculous what they are trying to do here. They're essentially trying to make it a Bill that cannot actually be utilised by anyone. There are numerous other countries that have similar laws in place and they work effectively. In Canada they've extended it, democratically, and everyone seems to be incredibly concerned by that. We're not looking to extend it the way the Canadians have and passing this Bill into law doesn't mean we'll suddenly sign off on future amendments. I don't think assisting those who are terminal and in immense pain softens people's thinking and suddenly they want to take out people with disabilities or mental illness.

I wonder if there's something they could introduce as a pre-emptive decision to prevent it's wrongful use? Maybe like a declaration people fill out when they are undergoing treatment to say, if the time came when they were terminal and in pain they would authorise it. That way there's time for them to get the sign-off from a professional and be in the right state of mind.

It's all a bit of a joke though. My Mum's mental health was all over the place during her treatment for cancer. One time she was in hospital for an op and had just had enough and had "do not resuscitate" on her bed before my Dad challenged it and said she wasn't in the right mental state to make that call. She survived it anyway, but that will be happening all over the country and there's no robust test needed for someone to sign up to it.
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I thought one of the points of contention is the other way where there is a possibility that the patient could be coerced into agreeing by relatives.
 
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