PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Ok, so in reality the premier league will be examining less years than UEFA then? So for example the Mancini charges simply disappear? Puts a whole new context on why the process is taking so long.
Best case, the panel also holds that 2016/17 is time-barred. That leaves 2017/18 only for inaccurate financial information, UEFA FFP and PSR, plus non-cooperation. So out of roughly 130 charges, you’re looking at around 35–40 left, about 30 of which are non-cooperation.
 
Best case, the panel also holds that 2016/17 is time-barred. That leaves 2017/18 only for inaccurate financial information, UEFA FFP and PSR, plus non-cooperation. So out of roughly 130 charges, you’re looking at around 35–40 left, about 30 of which are non-cooperation.
Do they have to hear and examine the evidence from those years before they exclude them? If so, why?
Otherwise it seems to me this should have been done and dusted in about 6 months!
 
Do they have to hear and examine the evidence from those years before they exclude them? If so, why?
Otherwise it seems to me this should have been done and dusted in about 6 months!
Even if the panel suspected early on that certain years would fall away, striking them out too early would be appeal-dangerous. The safest course is to hear everything, decide everything, and only then exclude what must legally fall away, with reasons. That’s how you build a decision that survives appeal.
 
Ok, so in reality the premier league will be examining less years than UEFA then? So for example the Mancini charges simply disappear? Puts a whole new context on why the process is taking so long.
If the tribunal takes the same line on limitation as CAS did, then anything prior to the 2016/17 financial year will be time-barred. That's probably all the second group of charges, about Mancini and Fordham, and most of the years covering the sponsorships/related party issues. And the related party issue is almost certainly a non-starter. So you have to ask, again, why is it taking so long?
 
NSO were sold to an American investment fund late last year, which Mubadala is a major shareholder in.
NSO has changed hands again in 2025. From information out there, Mubadala are not part of the new US Investment group. They had a connection with the previous equity fund that acquired NSO in 2019. According to information out there.

Mubadala did have indirect exposure to NSO Group.
Not by owning NSO directly, but by being a major investor in the Novalpina Capital fund that purchased NSO Group in 2019.
 
NSO has changed hands again in 2025. From information out there, Mubadala are not part of the new US Investment group. They had a connection with the previous equity fund that acquired NSO in 2019. According to information out there.

Mubadala did have indirect exposure to NSO Group.
Not by owning NSO directly, but by being a major investor in the Novalpina Capital fund that purchased NSO Group in 2019.
You're right. Thanks.

Simonds' companies seem to have significant backing from China but I'm currently reading a book about the build-up to 1967's Six Day War and there were back-channel contacts between the US and Israeli governments that used entertainment executives, which Simonds is. Doesn't mean that's happening here but it was interesting.

The deal still requires approval from US & Israeli authorities and I believe that's ongoing and could take a while.
 
Ok, so in reality the premier league will be examining less years than UEFA then? So for example the Mancini charges simply disappear? Puts a whole new context on why the process is taking so long.

I didn't say that. And neither did you.

You said the Limitation Act doesn't apply to this process. I said it most definitely does, based on a careful consideration of what every lawyer on here has said consistently and what I can make of the Act myself.

Don't do what argumentative losers do when they are wrong and change the discussion half way through.

Re Mancini, my understanding is that the panel will have to determine if the allegations were referred to the panel in the limitation period or not. So they will have to decide the date of the alleged breach (which is reasonably easy) and the date on which the breach could reasonably have been discovered (not so easy, especially for us in here who know nothing of the details). And then they have to decide if the alleged breach is proven or not. Or they could look at the alleged breach first, come to the conclusion it wasn't proven to be a breach (most likely imho as there were no rules about declaring secondary manager contracts at the time, anyway) before they toss about with time limitation periods. Or they may decide the allegation isn't proven but consider that the contract should have been declared/ included in the accounts as a matter of good faith but then they are up against accounting principles, and I doubt they will be going against the club's auditors on that. And the Leicester decision suggests to me that wording of the rules is more important than the good/bad faith application of them.

If you want a discussion about why it's taking so long, that is a completely different kettle of fish. And nothing to do with limitation periods, imho.
 
Best case, the panel also holds that 2016/17 is time-barred. That leaves 2017/18 only for inaccurate financial information, UEFA FFP and PSR, plus non-cooperation. So out of roughly 130 charges, you’re looking at around 35–40 left, about 30 of which are non-cooperation.

Not sure that is how it works .....
 
I didn't say that. And neither did you.

You said the Limitation Act doesn't apply to this process. I said it most definitely does, based on a careful consideration of what every lawyer on here has said consistently and what I can make of the Act myself.

Don't do what argumentative losers do when they are wrong and change the discussion half way through.

Re Mancini, my understanding is that the panel will have to determine if the allegations were referred to the panel in the limitation period or not. So they will have to decide the date of the alleged breach (which is reasonably easy) and the date on which the breach could reasonably have been discovered (not so easy, especially for us in here who know nothing of the details). And then they have to decide if the alleged breach is proven or not. Or they could look at the alleged breach first, come to the conclusion it wasn't proven to be a breach (most likely imho as there were no rules about declaring secondary manager contracts at the time, anyway) before they toss about with time limitation periods. Or they may decide the allegation isn't proven but consider that the contract should have been declared/ included in the accounts as a matter of good faith but then they are up against accounting principles, and I doubt they will be going against the club's auditors on that. And the Leicester decision suggests to me that wording of the rules is more important than the good/bad faith application of them.

If you want a discussion about why it's taking so long, that is a completely different kettle of fish. And nothing to do with limitation periods, imho.
I wasn't doing what argumentative losers do when they are wrong and change the discussion half way through. I had accepted that I was wrong about the statue of limitations and moved on from it, but I then started to wonder about the larger implications. Given that surely you can see how my questions were relevant?
 
Not sure that is how it works .....
That's how it worked at CAS. They went 5 years back from a specific date, then decided that any transactions that occurred within the FY that date belonged to were in scope & anything in previous financial years was time-barred. Without looking back at the documentation, I think they decided on a date in early 2014, meaning anything in the 2013/14 FY could be looked at.
 
The Limitation Act simply doesn’t apply here because the Premier League isn’t bringing a civil court claim — it’s enforcing a private contractual rulebook that has no statute of limitations at all. Every club, including Manchester City, agreed that the League can investigate and charge historical breaches without time restriction, so there’s nothing for City to “invoke” to strike out older allegations. The concealment provisions in the Limitation Act are irrelevant because they only matter in court proceedings, not in a regulatory process. The Premier League doesn’t need to prove concealment to justify looking back to 2009 — it only needs to prove the breaches themselves.

Legal Privilege is narrow, specific, and purpose‑based. It protects legal advice — not everything a client ever says to or around a lawyer.

P.S the FA aren't trying to prove anything-it has nothing to do with them. This is a matter between City and the premier League.
Dunning Kruger writ large.
 
are they still there?

strange nobody has spotted them until now then

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No one seems to have spotted it before. I think it’s missing from some. And is different shade of blue in others.

Random to start in August. Any link to the case round then?

Could they have added them on retrospectively ?

Anyone seen them before the other day ?
 
No one seems to have spotted it before. I think it’s missing from some. And is different shade of blue in others.

Random to start in August. Any link to the case round then?

Could they have added them on retrospectively ?

Anyone seen them before the other day ?
not me for sure - curious nobody has picked it up in the media too
 
That's how it worked at CAS. They went 5 years back from a specific date, then decided that any transactions that occurred within the FY that date belonged to were in scope & anything in previous financial years was time-barred. Without looking back at the documentation, I think they decided on a date in early 2014, meaning anything in the 2013/14 FY could be looked at.

UEFA defined a five year limitation period very precisely, from the date of the alleged events, in their rules. That was easy. The PL hasn't, so it's more difficult and falls under English law like the rest of the contract, specifically the Limitation Act.

Afaik, bearing in mind the age of the alleged events, the limitation period will start from the date that the PL could reasonably have discovered the alleged events. They will argue that was with the leaks in 2018, so they were well within the limitation period by referring the allegations in February 2023. Whether they can argue that was the earliest date they could have reasonably discovered the events leading to the alleged breaches, or not, I have no idea.

I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
 

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