US & Israel attack Iran

Ric said:
As an aside, feels like this conflict is the final nail in the coffin of Twitter/X as any kind of meaningful platform. There’s so much misinformation and endless AI generated videos. Every comment is asking Grok if the content is real, and even Grok’s replies are often not credible. It’s an absolute mess. Nice one, Elon.
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It’s why the constant retweets we get on this forum are such a pain.

It’s propaganda regardless of what side of the argument it represents most of the time.
 
Metal Biker said:
I've not said the war is 'about' anything. I'd like to see where I have stated what this war is about or others intentions for it.

I'm higlighting there's an opportunity for those Iranians who have been oppressed to free themselves from said oppressive regime. I've not made any comment on the intentions the US and Israel have. I leave that for others to argue over.
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Well they may not as last time they protested 30,000 were killed. Theres nothing to suggest that wouldn’t happen again right now. We’ve no idea who is in charge but given they’re blowing up the US embassy in Riyadh, it seems that whoever it is, isn’t a more liberal or likely to take a softer line with protesters.

Which brings us back to the point, you keep defending the war by saying “something needed to be done as the regime killed thousands of its own people”. I don’t get your point though. You think this war will help?
 
Metal Biker said:
Tens of thousands were being killed by the regime itself. Don't remember a lot of outcry on here about it.

There was some tutting... i'll be fair.
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Well we (The West) weren’t the ones doing that killing. Call me a bluff old traditionalist, but I’ve never subscribed to “killing more Iranian people is good as they’ve already killed a load of their own” line of thinking.

As for no outcry, there was a huge thread about it.

Do you even know what your point is any more? Are you pro or anti this US/Israeli war? Do you think it makes the lives of the Iranian people any better? Do you think they will rise up as one and break free from the theocratic shackles they’ve been stuck with? (We’d all like them to be able to, but do you think they will?)
 
SWP's back said:
The fact that any ****, in 2026, uses the fucking bible as justification for territorial expansion is beyond bonkers.
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If you think about it, it's worse than that. Because what's actually happening is that one religion is saying that a group of people from a different religion that doesn't follow their beliefs should be allowed land because it's in their holy book.

It's not even religious supremacy, it's more like cuck supremacy.
 
Metal Biker said:
Yeah...



...that's where I am. I don't care what Trumpy and Bibi want out of this. My concern and focus is on the oppressed people of Iran. It's up to the Iranian people themselves, just like they were calling for. Maybe some UN Peacekeepers to prevent the Revolutionary Guard murdering more of their civilians whilst agreements are decided and implemented.

My concern, is will they (The UN). Or is shaking fists current international protocol at the moment?
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Don't you think the UN have been pretty annonymous and ineffective in this "dispute, given the magnitude of it?

It seems like the US and Trump have little or no regard for them and just carry on doing what they think is right regardless. This leads me to believe even moreso that Trump has started something so massive to deflect attention from matters much closer to home (Epstein files). Very worrying I genuinely think he would push the world closer to all out war than face up to the allegations that may arise from the files.... it's just too convenient IMO.

If you were to ask me "does Trump care for the Iranians"? I would firmly suggest NO! he doesn't he's just usuing them for his own benefit.
 
Ric said:
As an aside, feels like this conflict is the final nail in the coffin of Twitter/X as any kind of meaningful platform. There’s so much misinformation and endless AI generated videos. Every comment is asking Grok if the content is real, and even Grok’s replies are often not credible. It’s an absolute mess. Nice one, Elon.
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Yet you allow the usual suspects to post these on here without sanction. Nice one, Ric.

How about you ban the posting of these, and just allow people to post their thoughts, unsupported by unverified propaganda videos? Then at least you could show you have more integrity than Musk.
 
Damocles said:
If you think about it, it's worse than that. Because what's actually happening is that one religion is saying that a group of people from a different religion that doesn't follow their beliefs should be allowed land because it's in their holy book.

It's not even religious supremacy, it's more like cuck supremacy.
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Was just reading that the believe in a 7 year suffering for humanity and that true believers in Christ will be raptured. And then Jesus will come down and destroy Israels enemies.
Fucking nut jobs sound every bit as dangerous as ISIS but with the strongest army in the world.
 
SWP's back said:
Well we (The West) weren’t the ones doing that killing. Call me a bluff old traditionalist, but I’ve never subscribed to “killing more Iranian people is good as they’ve already killed a load of their own” line of thinking.

As for no outcry, there was a huge thread about it.

Do you even know what your point is any more? Are you pro or anti this US/Israeli war? Do you think it makes the lives of the Iranian people any better? Do you think they will rise up as one and break free from the theocratic shackles they’ve been stuck with? (We’d all like them to be able to, but do you think they will?)
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Neither. I'm pro-Iranian democracy and for civil liberties being granted to those Iranians who are calling for it. Ive been pretty clear on that stance. Not my fault if others on here want me to have additional stances on the situation.
 
Scottyboi said:
Well when you listen to Rubios statement in full, he admits the US had to attack as Israel had already decided to carry out an operation knowing full well Iran would then attack the US.
Such weak leadership allowing a country you heavily subsidise to shoehorn you into a war.
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The US is Israel’s client state, bought and paid for
 
domalino said:
The problem with this theory is 3 fold.

(1) We don't know how many Iranian civilians have died or will die from US and Israeli attacks.
(2) We don't know that the Islamic Republic regime will be weakened to the point where it can be overthrown from within.
(3) Now it's clear that Israel is driving all of this, it's not clear that a free democratic Iran will even be allowed to form or flourish. The thing that suits Netenyahu most is a weakened, Western approved Ayatollah who keeps his violence in-house. The Saudi's and UAE, who have spent tens of billions bribing/cosying up to Trump are also not interested in the country with the 4th biggest oil deposits becoming a rich, flourishing democracy in the region.


Nothing we have seen from the US or Israel suggests that they are genuinely interested in creating or supporting a democratic revolution in Iran.


It's a nice idea that this results in a free democratic Iran opening up to the world, I really hope it happens but we have to accept the chances of it ending this way are incredibly remote and the most likely outcome is tens of thousands of dead Iranian civilians, a different, even more hardline Ayatollah who cracks down even harder to reestablish control/power domestically and things just reset for a few years.
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Bang on the money.
 
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