UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

[Grassland Blue]

Is that the Brian Cox who then postulates that at any one time there is likely to be
only one intelligent species per galaxy?

There could well be only one intelligent species per galaxy.
It's just that we haven't found it yet......

 

[UnderControl]

My arsehole hasn't been probed yet, but there are aliens around aren't there? I don't know what they want, blood probably, leave us alone!

 

[Coatigan]

We could also be the most advanced species that's ever lived,at the moment we have no evidence whatsoever there is or has been other intelligent life anywhere.

Did anyone claim there was? The point was on theory. The theory is totally valid.

Literally almost all science starts with theory. If people rubbished it off the bat when there was no evidence, we'd still be in caves.

And someone would still probanly be arguing there are no animals or other humans out there because there is no evidence of them.

 

[blueparrot]

Did anyone claim there was? The point was on theory. The theory is totally valid.

Literally almost all science starts with theory. If people rubbished it off the bat when there was no evidence, we'd still be in caves.

And someone would still probanly be arguing there are no animals or other humans out there because there is no evidence of them.

All science is pretty much theory until that is a accepted until evidence proves that theory wrong and the theory has to be re worked or a new one found, but all theories must be based on some research and evidence to test it. At the moment the accepted evidence tells us we are are alone, but we are still searching across the known universe.
The evidence that the earth or even our solar system and nearest parts of our galaxy contains or has been visited by other intelligent life,or as the post I replied to is ‘teeming with’ is overwhelming and highly unlikely to be changed.
Those saying there must be life way advanced that can visit us and be undetectable are just saying there must be because big numbers, with absolutely no researched evidence to support it.

 

[TonyM]

If a non-human intelligence was discovered should it be locked up and probed?

Or should it be allowed to live among us?

 

[Coatigan]

All science is pretty much theory until that is a accepted until evidence proves that theory wrong and the theory has to be re worked or a new one found, but all theories must be based on some research and evidence to test it. At the moment the accepted evidence tells us we are are alone, but we are still searching across the known universe.
The evidence that the earth or even our solar system and nearest parts of our galaxy contains or has been visited by other intelligent life,or as the post I replied to is ‘teeming with’ is overwhelming and highly unlikely to be changed.
Those saying there must be life way advanced that can visit us and be undetectable are just saying there must be because big numbers, with absolutely no researched evidence to support it.

Most scientists agree on the probability or even the likelihood of life in the infinite universe. By your own explanation of what science is (aye thanks for that), there must then be enough evidence that we are unlikely to be the single planet with life on it.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

My arsehole hasn't been probed yet, but there are aliens around aren't there? I don't know what they want, blood probably, leave us alone!

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

 

[philfodenswristsock]

If we are to get answers. I suspect it won't be from the professional Physics community.

 

[SilvaGods]

Tim Burchett’s a dick head then.

Bit narrow minded that bp!!!!

 

[blueparrot]

Most scientists agree on the probability or even the likelihood of life in the infinite universe. By your own explanation of what science is (aye thanks for that), there must then be enough evidence that we are unlikely to be the single planet with life on it.

With life, yes, with life as intelligent or more than ourselves, no evidence at all.

 

[blueparrot]

Bit narrow minded that bp!!!!

To say there has been no human contact with aliens, not narrow minded at all.

 

[Coatigan]

With life, yes, with life as intelligent or more than ourselves, no evidence at all.

It is is an incredibly daft point to argue. And a bit pointless. For two reasons. Because the theory exactly is the same, and the probability is based on the same scale and relativity. And because there is no evidence at all there isn’t. So it is a completely pointless rebuttal, at best it is just an individual opinion.

Edit, for clarity, I'm talking about potential of existance, not 'contact'.

 

[Marklr]

It is is an incredibly daft point to argue. And a bit pointless. For two reasons. Because the theory exactly is the same, and the probability is based on the same scale and relativity. And because there is no evidence at all there isn’t. So it is a completely pointless rebuttal, at best it is just an individual opinion.

Edit, for clarity, I'm talking about potential of existance, not 'contact'.

If a bear shits in the woods and there's no one around for miles...does it smell?

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Most scientists agree on the probability or even the likelihood of life in the infinite universe. By your own explanation of what science is (aye thanks for that), there must then be enough evidence that we are unlikely to be the single planet with life on it.

I studied with a lot of said scientists for my physics degree and I don't know that this is necessarily true. For one because scientists rarely agree on anything unless it is basically certain.

A good mathematician appreciates that you can't draw any conclusions at all with a sample size of one. And they also appreciate that human beings are exceedingly bad at intuiting probabilities - like crazy bad at it to the extent there are a bunch of fallacies all based on how bad we are at judging probability. It could very well be the case that as vast and unimaginable as our universe is, the probability of life and/or intelligent life could be equally unimaginably small, and maybe even smaller. The chance of dealing a deck of 52 cards in a specific order is roughly equal to selecting a single atom at random out of our entire observable universe. What if the mechanism that creates life looks like that?

It's the anthropic principle in action. It feels unlikely to us because we are here, but if we weren't here then we wouldn't even be around to ask the question in the first place. Imagine two universes, one with life all over the place that we haven't bumped into yet, and one where it is just us. We could reasonably be in either one of these universes and we would still ask ourselves the same questions, and we would all be on this thread citing "surely there has to be life elsewhere". Our own existence gives us zero information about the prevalence of existence itself.

 

[SilvaGods]

To say there has been no human contact with aliens, not narrow minded at all.

Ok, maybe. But you don’t know that as fact. Just a guess.

 

[blueparrot]

Ok, maybe. But you don’t know that as fact. Just a guess.

No its not a guess.Hundreds of millions of dollars spent searching for evidence of intelligent life and nothing, yet some people on earth are having a good old chinwag with aliens, yeh right.

 

[SilvaGods]

No it’s not a guess.Hundreds of millions of dollars spent searching for evidence of intelligent life and nothing, yet some people on earth are having a good old chinwag with aliens, yeh right.

ok Bp, I’m not gonna argue with you, but you don’t KNOW know, so it is just guesswork. Anyway I’ll leave it there, I respect your opinion but don’t agree with you.

 

[abu13]

I suspect the universe is teeming with life however the chances of it being intelligent enough to make contact is slim, just think, if humans didnt evolve none of the thousands of species on earth would even comprehend space.

 

[NPBlue]

I suspect the universe is teeming with life however the chances of it being intelligent enough to make contact is slim, just think, if humans didnt evolve none of the thousands of species on earth would even comprehend space.

This is one of the most intriguing statements I have ever read.

 

[Coatigan]

I studied with a lot of said scientists for my physics degree and I don't know that this is necessarily true. For one because scientists rarely agree on anything unless it is basically certain.

A good mathematician appreciates that you can't draw any conclusions at all with a sample size of one. And they also appreciate that human beings are exceedingly bad at intuiting probabilities - like crazy bad at it to the extent there are a bunch of fallacies all based on how bad we are at judging probability. It could very well be the case that as vast and unimaginable as our universe is, the probability of life and/or intelligent life could be equally unimaginably small, and maybe even smaller. The chance of dealing a deck of 52 cards in a specific order is roughly equal to selecting a single atom at random out of our entire observable universe. What if the mechanism that creates life looks like that?

It's the anthropic principle in action. It feels unlikely to us because we are here, but if we weren't here then we wouldn't even be around to ask the question in the first place. Imagine two universes, one with life all over the place that we haven't bumped into yet, and one where it is just us. We could reasonably be in either one of these universes and we would still ask ourselves the same questions, and we would all be on this thread citing "surely there has to be life elsewhere". Our own existence gives us zero information about the prevalence of existence itself.

The chance of dealing one 52 card deck in a specific order, yeah sure, the odds are miniscule.

But the cance of dealing that specific order with billions of decks being dealt repeatedly over billions of years becomes far more likely. And not just once.

And then make that number infinite, beyond comprehension, and it becomes almost impossible not to get that order dealt.