Budget

[west didsblue]

The woman with 5 kids (and others like
her ), had them when the state was paying for them.

What happens when she is only given the means to look after 2 of them?

Cut down on fags and beer and stick with a 40 inch TV instead of buying a bendy 60 inch 4K one ;-)

 

[SWP's back]

That's why it only applies to those born after April 2017.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33440315

Lol.

 

[2sheikhs]

So let's say a woman with 5 kids after 2017 lives with a partner who is providing for them. He decides to leave
and can't or won't pay maintenance.
What does she do?

 

[SWP's back]

So let's say a woman with 5 kids after 2017 lives with a partner who is providing for them. He decides to leave
and can't or won't pay maintenance.
What does she do?

Work?

 

[BigOscar]

So let's say a woman with 5 kids after 2017 lives with a partner who is providing for them. He decides to leave
and can't or won't pay maintenance.
What does she do?

Workhouses and debtors prison I presume

 

[johnmc]

Those studies are always bollocks.

Go here

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/tools/baby-cost-calculator

Taking out the one off purchases, a baby will cost about £30-40 p/w. Kids will cost a little more. The Government only pays £20 per week in Child Benefit

Kids cost a little more? Once you put them in nursery you are talking £200 a week just for that before anything else.

 

[Damocles]

Kids cost a little more? Once you put them in nursery you are talking £200 a week just for that before anything else.

That depends on the family setup. Obviously people with stay at home parents aren't going to be paying that and I cannot imagine that many people on benefits are sticking them in a nursery.

 

[yorknomore]

Kids cost a little more? Once you put them in nursery you are talking £200 a week just for that before anything else.

You have to be on some serious money to have to pay nursery costs in full for 2 children. If they stopped this scheme we'd have a kid free environment in this country and 100's of thousands of nursery workers on Job Seekers.

 

[BigOscar]

Surprised no one has mentioned how they are ditching the University maintenence grant and replacing it with a student loan instead. I've not looked into it fully, but that seems like a real fuck you to social mobility.

 

[johnmc]

That depends on the family setup. Obviously people with stay at home parents aren't going to be paying that and I cannot imagine that many people on benefits are sticking them in a nursery.

Sorry I was taking your figures for those in work not on benefits. For those in work, having a child is a big decision as it is likely to cost in the region of £1000 a month in nursery fees or lost wages if you don't go back, clothing, food, toys, days out etc

 

[2sheikhs]

Work?
Ok, let's break down the costs. We'd have to assume that having 5 kids, she'd need 3 bedrooms.
£600 a month?
Council tax, £120 a month?
Utilities, £300 a month.
Food, £600 a month
Clothing £100 a month?
That's £1720 before travel to and from work and the cost of childcare is taken into account.
So we're probably looking at a job that gives her somewhere between £2-2.5k a month after tax. If she doesn't have any academic or vocational qualifications, how does she land this £30 k +per annum job?

 

[The Northern Baptist]

The woman with 5 kids (and others like
her ), had them when the state was paying for them. What happens when she is only given the means to look after 2 of them? Will 3 be taken from her.? Will they all end up neglected and malnourished? Will she have to get a job that covers enough to live and pay for childcare for 5 kids?
It's as unworkable as Ian Duncan Smith's plan from a few years ago to not give pregnant young women a flat. The frothing masses applauded him for it. That was until some people pointed out that some of those girls were having a shit time at home and saw getting pregnant as the only escape route. So what would he do? Tell them they had to like it or lump it? Let them have the child and take it from them?
Even he and his mates aren't that fucking dickensian.
It's just soundbites and clichés to satisfy people who are fortunate enough not to rely on help from the state.

Well the budget has removed entitlement to housing benefit for 18-21 yr olds (apart from in some very vulnerable cases) so they are going ahead with their plans.

so basically yeah, like it or lump it love

 

[Ducado]

As for the budget he is just playing to the peanut gallery there is no way he will save anything like the amounts he says mainly because cuts in welfare cause visible poverty and thus they have to spend more somewhere else dealing with it, the rest of it was quite bland

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Work?
Ok, let's break down the costs. We'd have to assume that having 5 kids, she'd need 3 bedrooms.
£600 a month?
Council tax, £120 a month?
Utilities, £300 a month.
Food, £600 a month
Clothing £100 a month?
That's £1720 before travel to and from work and the cost of childcare is taken into account.
So we're probably looking at a job that gives her somewhere between £2-2.5k a month after tax. If she doesn't have any academic or vocational qualifications, how does she land this £30 k +per annum job?

you see the major problem in all that (and why she needs to find herself a job she won't ever be able to get)? Having five fucking kids.

 

[2sheikhs]

Plus, regarding fines for the banks. I'm assuming that fines are implemented for wrongdoing? What happens if the deterrent works and they don't break the rules? Who pays then?

 

[SWP's back]

Work?
Ok, let's break down the costs. We'd have to assume that having 5 kids, she'd need 3 bedrooms.
£600 a month?
Council tax, £120 a month?
Utilities, £300 a month.
Food, £600 a month
Clothing £100 a month?
That's £1720 before travel to and from work and the cost of childcare is taken into account.
So we're probably looking at a job that gives her somewhere between £2-2.5k a month after tax. If she doesn't have any academic or vocational qualifications, how does she land this £30 k +per annum job?

Shouldn't have the five kids then should she.

It took you two minutes to see she can't afford it. Maybe she can keep her legs closed in that case n

 

[SWP's back]

Plus, regarding fines for the banks. I'm assuming that fines are implemented for wrongdoing? What happens if the deterrent works and they don't break the rules? Who pays then?

The nondoms that are now (wrongly) being taxed on their income arising outside of the UK.

 

[2sheikhs]

But I offered a scenario where the 5 kids were initially being supported by a spouse. Y'know, don't have kids if you can't afford them etc. Who knows what's around the corner?
She could find herself in the shit through no fault of her own. What doesoOsborne say? "We'll pay for 2 but the other 3 can fuck off "????

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Shouldn't have the five kids then should she.

It took you two minutes to see she can't afford it. Maybe she can keep her legs closed in that case n

Good idea. Maybe she should go back in time and not have them. Genius.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Work?
Ok, let's break down the costs. We'd have to assume that having 5 kids, she'd need 3 bedrooms.
£600 a month?
Council tax, £120 a month?
Utilities, £300 a month.
Food, £600 a month
Clothing £100 a month?
That's £1720 before travel to and from work and the cost of childcare is taken into account.
So we're probably looking at a job that gives her somewhere between £2-2.5k a month after tax. If she doesn't have any academic or vocational qualifications, how does she land this £30 k +per annum job?

Well strictly speaking, the children's father should be paying half of the costs of raising his kids, so she should only have to contribute half the costs. But yeah, it's also likely she'd only have time to work part time.