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i dont remember any rags being as scincere when Paul Lake had his career ending injury

Maybe you missed that moment in history where Paul Lake rang Alex Ferguson to ask if United, at very short notice, would play in his testimonial? And after a long chat about the injury, and what his future plans were, Ferguson said he would bring his first team to Maine Road for the match, and true to his word he did just that. None of this trotting out the reserves nonsense. In the image below we have Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Neville applauding as Paul Lake comes onto the pitch.

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Fuck me. Karel Poborsky!
Is that my little left footed hero next to rat boy nearest the camera?
Anyone notice Roberts is a bit of a looky likey? To GK obv. Not only in the looks dept either!
 
Maybe you missed that moment in history where Paul Lake rang Alex Ferguson to ask if United, at very short notice, would play in his testimonial? And after a long chat about the injury, and what his future plans were, Ferguson said he would bring his first team to Maine Road for the match, and true to his word he did just that. None of this trotting out the reserves nonsense. In the image below we have Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Neville applauding as Paul Lake comes onto the pitch.

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Sorry to do this chaps, but shallyman makes a perfectly valid point.

Ferguson, like all evil men in history (eg Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot) was capable of moments of great compassion and empathy. It's what makes all the atrocities even harder to comprehend. And no, I'm not just referring to Lou Macari's Chippy when I say that.
 
Maybe you missed that moment in history where Paul Lake rang Alex Ferguson to ask if United, at very short notice, would play in his testimonial? And after a long chat about the injury, and what his future plans were, Ferguson said he would bring his first team to Maine Road for the match, and true to his word he did just that. None of this trotting out the reserves nonsense. In the image below we have Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Neville applauding as Paul Lake comes onto the pitch.

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Good post mr rag, now do one, we can't be having compassion on here.

How sad for football in general was that picture, red or blue ?

I've met Paul, and can only say what a thoroughly nice bloke he was, I've never met Luke Shaw, but he seems like a nice bloke too, its a shame he sided with the devil, but you can't blame him considering what he was offered.

I hope he recovers and plays again, whoever that's for.
 
Yes, and we've experience of seeing Michael Johnson here (different injury) decline, and who was taken over by demons.

I wouldn't wish it on any footballer, as long term injuries can play serious mind games when you have nothing else to do other than wait, it could be food, drink, or even something else worse.

Shaw might be a rag, but I wish him a speedy and successful recovery.

Many years ago I saw (and heard, and it wasn't nice) a similar injury during a training game to a team mate, a fellow keeper, and we contested the same shirt week in week out. We were training before a cup final, and I knew I couldn't play in it due to a work commitment, so he was going to be the main man. An innocuous collision, and I heard it at the other end of the pitch, half an hour later an ambulance arrived on pitch, he spent several days in hospital, and to my knowledge he never played again. Obviously he didn't have the treatment Shaw will get, but that's the risk.

I forgot all about Michael Johnson, he was pretty decent whenever I see him. I see his story on The Mail ages ago he looked like an everyday bloke in a pub. Fortunately I never did see anything like what happened at your team, I done my ACL in during a game but still no surgery, lucky I'm an older bastard now so me pretending to be Messi are long gone!!
 
Andrei Kanchelskis is a Manchester United cult hero. The Ukrainian winger played a huge part in United’s marvellous mid nineties team – Ferguson’s first great United side. Alongside Giggs, Cantona, Hughes, Ince and the rest, Kanchelskis lightening quick, direct performances down the right flank ensured his place in United folklore. He even scored a derby hattrick against rivals City.

Kanchelskis acrimonious Old Trafford departure in 1995 is one of football’s most intriguing and mysterious tales. Rumoured reasons for his exit are still discussed on Manchester streets to this day 20 years on, with hearsay and gossip spun wildly into webs of urban myths that wouldn’t sound out of place in a Bourne Identity sequel.

Before we talk about the shady end, it is important to discuss the equally shady beginnings. Kanchelskis was recommended to Ferguson by agent Rune Hauge – the same unlicensed agent who was involved in George Graham’s “bung” scandal of 1995. With the help of Hauge and Kanchelskis agent Grigori Yesaulenko, United signed the winger for £1m in 1991 from Shakhtar Donetsk.

In Ferguson’s 1999 book “Managing My Life” he revealed that three years later in 1994, Yesaulenko handed him an unsolicited gift at Manchester airport — £40,000 in banknotes in a shoe box.

“I thought it contained a samovar, or some other typical Russian gift,” Ferguson said. But when he opened the parcel at home, he saw that it was packed with cash. Ferguson decided to put the box in a club safe in the presence of lawyers. The cash sat there for almost a year, before Yesaulenko turned up again and was almost forcibly given back the gift.

Yesaulenko had arrived to talk business though and demanded that United accept an offer from Everton for Kanchelskis. United had earlier rejected an offer, which they felt wasn’t worth enough to the club after the fee had been split according to clauses in Kanchelskis’ contract. Newspaper The Independent obtained a copy of those contract clauses in 1999 which detailed that Shakhtar were to be given 30% of any profit made from any future sale. 30% of any fee was also to go to the player himself.

United’s boardroom wanted to make £5m from the sale and so they pulled the plug on the deal. Yesaulenko, who wanted to make a cut of his own from the transfer, was apoplectic.

In a meeting with United chairman Martin Edwards, Yesaulenko told him “”IF YOU don’t sell him now, you will not be around much longer.” He also told Edwards he would sort out the Shakhtar “problem”, allowing United to keep more of the fee.

A month later, Kanchelskis was sold. Two months after that, Aleksandr Bragin the Shakhtar president and five bodyguards were blown up at Shakhtar’s ground four minutes into a match against Crimean team Tavria. (Bragin was known as “Alik the Greek” in the Ukrainian criminal underworld)

The events which led to his death began after Yesaulenko threatened Mr Edwards and said he would “sort out” the Ukrainians. While the Kanchelskis talks were stalled Mr Yesaulenko sent a fax in English to Shakhtar asking one of the club’s board members, name Kolotsei to forward the fax on club notepaper to Manchester United. The fax, dated 13 July 1995, waived Shakhtar’s rights to their 30% cut of transfer profits and United happily moved Kanchelskis on to Everton.

Aleksandr Bragin and his colleague, Ravil Safioullin, claimed Mr Kolotsei wasn’t aware of what he was forwarding in the fax. In a letter sent to United (dated 19 September 1995) they wrote:

“Mr Kolotsei signed … text in the English language prepared by Mr Yesaulenko … only because Mr Yesaulenko requested and explained that this fax was necessary exclusively for helping Andrei Kanchelskis to solve private problems …”

The controversy surrounding Kanchelskis, caused the Shakhtar board to re-examine the original contract for the 1991 move to United. Clause 3 stipulated they were entitled to even more money: £150,000 after Kanchelskis had played 40 games for United, £250,000 after he had played 80 games, and another £150,000 should Kanchelskis pen a new deal. But a check on their accounts showed the money had not never arrived from United, despite the all the stipulations being met.

Initially the board thought that United were involved in dodgy dealings with Bragin. It emerged that Bragin had sent United a fax, asking them to deposit money in an account in the name of Euro Football Ltd at Coutts & Co in Zurich and not Shakhtar’s usual club accounts based in New York.

Shakhtar maintained that the Euro Football Ltd account had nothing to do with their club. It appeared that Bragin had been attempting to siphon money away.

After Aleksandr Bragin’s death, United and Shakhtar continued to argue over the profits from Kanchelskis Everton transfer. Shakhtar also needed reassurance that United had made the £550,000 payment relating to the appearance clauses in the 1991 contract – money that had “disappeared” thanks to Bragin’s underhanded workings.

In Munich on 23 and 24 January 1996, Maurice Watkins, United’s solicitor, proved to Ravil Safioullin, (Bragin’s successor) that United had been asked to pay the money into a numbered Swiss bank account. The arguments continued until March of the same year, when United made a settlement of £770,000 to bring the chapter to a close. Safioullin claims he was made to sign a confidentially clause after the dispute was eventually resolved.

United declined to make a statement about Bragin’s death and the subsequent contractual controversies.

In 1998 Grigori Yesaulenko was arrested and charged with tax evasion following the sale of Russia midfielder Dmitry Alenichev to Italian Serie A club Roma. Yesaulenko was vice president of selling club Spartak Moscow at the time and was charged with hiding $7m in Swiss banks after the transfer.

It’s easy to see why the Kanchelskis transfer, Bragin’s death and Yesaulenko’s behaviour were strongly linked to involvement with the Ukrainian mafia and criminal underworld from the outset. You get the feeling that we are only scratching the surface of what was one of football’s most unusual set of circumstances.


http://www.back-post.com/2015/09/16/bombs-and-bungs-the-story-of-andrei-kanchelskis-man-utd-exit/?

I always wondered why they sold him as he was brilliant for United, could never get my head around it. I could understand they sold Sharpe but not Kanchelskis. It's just as puzzling as Wilkinson selling Cantona to United for a low low price. Who knows what goes on!
 
its not about winning the noble peace prize , its about showing class and standing out like our club does, we play the best football in the country, dont have a single diver in the whole squad or a moaning manager. Personally i feel we shouldn't sink to the level of scousers, chavs or rags who illwish players in the face of such injury
 
I forgot all about Michael Johnson, he was pretty decent whenever I see him. I see his story on The Mail ages ago he looked like an everyday bloke in a pub.
His story should be enough to make anyone on here have some compassion, and I could point to Paul Lake, who was far better, and a much bigger loss to football in general, not just City.

Luke Shaw is a united player, and if he was playing in a game against us I could see why people might have a pop at him, but he's a relatively young lad who's got a serious (possibly career ending injury), in a promising career, and I can't understand anyone taking delight in that, just because he plays for united, and to my knowledge he's never said a bad word against City.
 
I hate United, no question... But as for players having career ending injuries - No, I wish the lad a full recovery and best wishes.

I'm not looking for a Nobel peace prize or anything, I'm just a lad who loves football - have watched and played it all my life.

Don't wish any injury on any player - even the players I dislike.

It's irrelevant that the vermin have said shit regarding Haaland's injury or Voe's death - This just highlights how scummy they are and that they are not true lovers of the game.

What goes around, comes around...
 
I hope he recovers fully but if it makes you feel any better I flicked over when they were playing to see the score and saw someone on a stretcher surrounded by medical staff, couldn't make out who, but my initial thought was I hoped it was a rag. Am I a bad person?
 
I hope he recovers fully but if it makes you feel any better I flicked over when they were playing to see the score and saw someone on a stretcher surrounded by medical staff, couldn't make out who, but my initial thought was I hoped it was a rag. Am I a bad person?
Yes. Simply for flicking over to see the rags score when City were playing.
 
Morning raggies. Delighted you've lost one of your better players for quite a while. You bunch of horrible cunts. You deserve every minute of the utter dross you're being served up.

Feel sorry for a young footballer called Luke. Get well soon.
 
Gary James the City tour guide!! Was Gary James on the Stretford End in the 70's or 80's? Or the away end at Anfield as darts rained down, or being baton charged by Liverpool supporting coppers. You don't need to take my word or Gary James word for it. Just ask any United fan over the age of 45. This non rivalry nonsense has been created and manufactured to fit into your own narrative, but none of you were actually there, and I don't even know why it's an issue all of a sudden. You want me to say that City have always been the ones that I fought with and hated, but it isn't true.

When I was a kid I could tell you every City fan who lived on my street or in my year at school. It was never violent or ugly. City scouts used to watch us playing matches on fog lane, I even attended the Mark Lillis soccer school in the summer once, and City players used to come to our school and we were always respectful to them. Paul Simpson walked his dog on Heaton Mersey common and Alex Williams lived in that 70's estate behind the Dog and Partridge on Didsbury road. We used to go to functions at the social club at Maine road. City were always part of where we grew up, as were United, but it was always a different type of rivalry. It didn't matter what feats United achieved currently or in the past, there was always a Blue in the corner of pub who would say "stuffy goal that by Cantona. He was trying to cross it...ee's not fit to lace Colin Bells boots."

It wasn't an evil or deeply hateful relationship, it was always good banter. It still survives to this day, sometimes on these pages. Now you can read what you want in a book and believe that, but I know what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.

 
Can you actually show me where is said i was pro about him breaking his leg? I was more having a dig at the happy clappers and the political correctness brigade on here. Nowhere did i celebrate his leg break.

I would beat the kid like a red headed step child
Political correctness? It's called having a bit of empathy for a young lad who's suffered a potential career ending injury.
You sound like a right dick.
 
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I hope he is overhyped but I feel he has the talent and abilities ( pace, dribbiling, control, shooting...etc) to shine
On a serious note, the Utd fans haven't been overly impressed with him so far. His goal on Tuesday may have changed one or two minds but the feeling I get from them is he's very wasteful on the ball and his delivery isn't, or at least hasn't so far, been very good.
There are hundreds of footballers in his mould, tricky, fast wingers who look great on a YouTube compilation but when asked to do it week in week out fade away until they end up at a crap club like Liverpool.
As for "Whatsisname" I'll reserve judgement until he's played more than a handful of minutes against a poor, poor Liverpool team.
 
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