Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

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Very surprised at the level of stick Pellers is getting on here for Juventus. Once again, the cheating gits did a job on us, and were successful because of our ability to finish chances. As far as the performance, team shape and team selection goes; there was nothing wrong with what Pellers laid out. We were set up nicely, we created chances enough to win the game, we bossed most of the 90mins away from home...

Where does Pellegrini come into the firing line for this? We will always concede chances under him because we defend like shit most of the time, win, lose or draw. Do you think other attacking teams don't look a little stagnant against Juventus? That's what Juventus are good at doing... limiting attacking football. Surely people weren't expecting us to create a score of expansive, beautiful chances...?

But anyway, I'm behind our manager, regardless of whether I believe he can take us to the next level or not. He can't, by the way. And the reason he can't is quite obviously, the way he likes to defend. I've been saying this since he arrived but who wants to listen when were smashing teams 5 and 6-nil. The tactical flaw in our defending is that you cannot play a front-foot, high line unless you're team is pressing hard from the front man. (In my opinion.) Either defend traditionally i.e. solid, positional, deep. Or give the opposition no breathing space i.e Guardiola-esque.

So long as Pellegrini is here, we will never defend well over the course of a season. Our mandate will be to score more goals than the enemy, simple as that. Win games in style. We all know he's a good manager, and there aren't many better than him who play an attractive style, which is how City want to play.

**The major concern should not be Pellegrini, but the fooking injury crisis that has pushed my hairline back a couple of millimetres. If anything stops us winning the league this season, it will be the injuries.**
 
If you read my post again you'll note that I qualified what I said with the use of the words 'barely 3 or 4', because I was estimating from memory. One out was I? You really have got OCD!

You must admit though that 'barely 3 or 4 times in 45 years' creates a somewhat different impression than '5 out of the last 6 years'.
 
Does anybody know who decided to go into the season with only two strikers and a seventeen year old ? Who signed Bony ? Who has spent silly money on two average centre halves ? Why demechellis is still at the club ( he was a fantastic stop gap for a couple of seasons ) Why we have never signed a top quality left back ? Why we wasted money on a poor reserve keeper ? I just don't think it's the managers fault , maybe Tixi needs to be questioned .


Why you looking for a new contract Carlos? Would you do it as a 'freebie' ;)
 
This is why I prefer real debates with referees. Online discussion get so sidetracked with semantics, nitpicking and point-scoring tangents, I'm not sure how anyone can feel satisfied afterward.
 
Liverpool are the bigger club and more of a rival due to location, but Spurs have been the better team in 5 out of the last 6 seasons. I thought the discussion was about results against the better sides, not the bigger clubs. I class Leicester as more of a rival for the title than either though at the present time ;-)
 
Very surprised at the level of stick Pellers is getting on here for Juventus. Once again, the cheating gits did a job on us, and were successful because of our ability to finish chances. As far as the performance, team shape and team selection goes; there was nothing wrong with what Pellers laid out. We were set up nicely, we created chances enough to win the game, we bossed most of the 90mins away from home...

Where does Pellegrini come into the firing line for this? We will always concede chances under him because we defend like shit most of the time, win, lose or draw. Do you think other attacking teams don't look a little stagnant against Juventus? That's what Juventus are good at doing... limiting attacking football. Surely people weren't expecting us to create a score of expansive, beautiful chances...?

But anyway, I'm behind our manager, regardless of whether I believe he can take us to the next level or not. He can't, by the way. And the reason he can't is quite obviously, the way he likes to defend. I've been saying this since he arrived but who wants to listen when were smashing teams 5 and 6-nil. The tactical flaw in our defending is that you cannot play a front-foot, high line unless you're team is pressing hard from the front man. (In my opinion.) Either defend traditionally i.e. solid, positional, deep. Or give the opposition no breathing space i.e Guardiola-esque.

So long as Pellegrini is here, we will never defend well over the course of a season. Our mandate will be to score more goals than the enemy, simple as that. Win games in style. We all know he's a good manager, and there aren't many better than him who play an attractive style, which is how City want to play.

**The major concern should not be Pellegrini, but the fooking injury crisis that has pushed my hairline back a couple of millimetres. If anything stops us winning the league this season, it will be the injuries.**

I agree injuries dont help but I think those things do even out over the season. As for defending its done as a team. Its all very well dressing it up as tactics this and 2 in the middle that but it's 10 outfield players each. The ones who want it more tend to get the result.
 
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Who do you regard as the bigger club and/or rival? Spurs or Liverpool?

Sorry to say this but your posts on this subject wouldn't look out of place on Red Cafe if you were to substitute City for Spurs. Spurs have generally been the better side recently. The 70s/80s/90s/00s and Liverpool's 'istoree are irrelevant.
 
Sorry to say this but your posts on this subject wouldn't look out of place on Red Cafe if you were to substitute City for Spurs. Spurs have generally been the better side recently. The 70s/80s/90s/00s and Liverpool's 'istoree are irrelevant.

Thank you for sticking your big fat nose in, but I never instigated this debate in the first place. I simply listed what I considered to be our 4 biggest rivals for silverware and highlighted Pellegrini's poor recent record against them. Other people lobbied for the inclusion of Spurs, presumably in order to cast Pellers in a more positive light by skewing the overall points haul back towards a semblance of decency, so I asked the dippers/Spurs question with a view to them backing their stance. I'm not really arsed where anyone thinks the post belongs, as I've long since tired of the debate
 
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Thank you for sticking your big fat nose in, but I never instigated this debate in the first place. I simply listed what I considered to be our 4 biggest rivals for silverware and highlighted Pellegrini's poor recent record against them. Other people lobbied for the inclusion of Spurs, presumably in order to cast Pellers in a more positive light by skewing the overall points haul back towards a semblance of decency, so I asked the dippers/Spurs question with a view to them backing their stance. I'm not really arsed where anyone thinks the post belongs, as I've long since tired of the debate

Fair enough. No need for the hostility though.
 
Regardless of how well we did on Wednesday, we lost; therefore not playing our best possible available team against Liverpool was a disaster as we lost that too.
And now we probably have to play Barca or Real or Bayern again.
Well done Pellers top managememt!
 
Regardless of how well we did on Wednesday, we lost; therefore not playing our best possible available team against Liverpool was a disaster as we lost that too.
And now we probably have to play Barca or Real or Bayern again.
Well done Pellers top managememt!


Gen question mate and not looking for a keyboard argument, but exactly why do you think it is all down to Pellers?

Second gen question. Because he didn't select the team you would have liked against Liverpool, how do you know that he didn't pick the best avail team.
 
Is Guardiola a cert? I'm behind pells just like I was bobby manc, however the results recently don't lie. Injuries, yeah. Every team gets them and we should be able to deal with them. Pellers doesn't seem as passionate as the players or fans, so it rubs off. Just my interpretation. I love the club so if we don't make a change I hope from my balls to my brain we turn it around. I'm not 100% confident we can with pellers at the helm but sure as fuck, I want to see us at least try.
 
Gen question mate and not looking for a keyboard argument, but exactly why do you think it is all down to Pellers?

Second gen question. Because he didn't select the team you would have liked against Liverpool, how do you know that he didn't pick the best avail team.

We lost against Liverpool because he picked the wrong team and failed to change things for 40 mins. He only did this because he considered the Juventus game to be of more importance. But we lost on Wednesday too. Perhaps if we had beaten Liverpool then confidence would have flowed through the team and we would have won. Who knows.

All I know these indents of miscalculating our opposition are far too common. Wigan (H), Newcastle (H), CSKA (H), Boro (H), Liverpool (H). Who next? Hull?
 
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If it was just the Liverpool, and Juventus results, then fair enough. We've got a few injuries, and players like Sagna and Kolarov need a rest. We've got a big squad, and hopefully, the results will start to swing in our favour.
In reality, we got away with it against Norwich, and the goals have dried up away from home. The Liverpool result had been on the cards for a while, and we've got ourselves into a situation where our best three players are never fit.
Not a major crisis, but let's not kid ourselves.
 
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