Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[BillyShears]

Well it will be the opposite for me.

If we fail to bring players through from this group, I think we are incompetent & deserve all the flack we get.

Ken Barnes & a decent manager would get a full team in the top 4 out of this lot. If Vieira & Pelkegrini can't get a few through, they are shit at it.

No worries. I think we get enough 'flack' as club anyway but if you think this kind of thing warrants giving the club more flack knock yourself out.

 

[WNRH]

Cheers for that. This is exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for in discussion like this. Something that feels like it might have some validity rather than just empty noise making. Where's Jordi now ?

It's a shame if Pozo was picked solely because he was Spanish and cost money. That'd be a bollocks decision on another level if there was a n other, better player, available. I hate politics within football clubs, especially politics where decisions are being taken not based on what is best for the club in that moment. Seeing as Pozo's gone I'm assuming the coaches and staff knew 12 months ago that he wasn't going to cut it in England.

Where's Pozo now? There is politics in all football clubs whether that be Manchester Vikings U8 or Manchester City, even more so at the top level. Pozo cost £2m circa give or take add ons etc. He had to be given a chance to see if he could make it based purely on that otherwise if the same people that signed him go to the big bosses asking for another million pounds for the next big thing they will be reluctant to part with the monies if they didn't even give an opportunity to the last one.

 

[BillyShears]

Neither looked good enough to make it here from what I saw although Pozo had a lot more promise pre injury. Maybe that influenced their decision, maybe it was just a Lopes-Mancini style decision based purely on who was putting the most effort in on the training campus.

Either way neither player has gone on to be better than we thought they were. I guess that's the key for me. Especially as Neville is suggesting we have an army of talent coming through who could up and leave if they're not given a chance. When we lose a player who goes on to become top maybe i'll revisit the question of whether we should trust the judgement of Txiki, Manuel, and the rest of the technical staff. But even then, I still think as long as the first team is in good nick, you can afford to make the odd mistake both in terms of players brought in and players let go.

 

[WNRH]

Do you really thin Pellegrini would put results and his job on the line on the basis of who was Spanish and cost money and not on who he thought was best for the team ? Or that he wouldn't have asked Vieira for some input.

Vieira hasn't got a say in anything, why else does he continue to bring Manu Garcia off in the EDS but then he suddenly appears in the first team set up. He's certainly not recommending him to Pelegrini if he can't even trust him himself to play well in his team.

 

[Neville Kneville]

No worries. I think we get enough 'flack' as club anyway but if you think this kind of thing warrants giving the club more flack knock yourself out.

It would be an enormous failure. You are quoting Khaldoon when it suits, but ignoring the stated ambition to build a core of first team players from the academy & whatsmore he said he wanted it sooner rather than later. You keep quoting the other bit about not damaging the first team but missing the whole point of his speech.

Kompany has said the same thing.

It will be a huge failure if this does not happen & the standard of recruits will drop if we don't start increasing the percentage of club produced players in the squad soon.

 

[WNRH]

He may trust & undrstand Spanish type footballers more & feel more comfortable using them. The current promotion of Garcia is a similar thing. He is lucky to get games for the EDS at present & has pretty much a full team of players more deserving of a chance in front of him. Yet Pellegrini seems to trust him more.

Trust him more or in his contract? What else can you offer when Madrid and Barca are your competitors for a Spanish kid? First team involvement.

Martin Odegaard has in his contract allegedly that he has to train with the first team at all times, don't be surprised if Manu Garcia has the same clause. Why else would he go on the end of season tour ahead of established and good performances in the EDS such as Byrne and Glendon for example. Garcia only played the last few games of last season and hardly impressed, not enough anyway to go on the tour at the expense of 2/3 lads who played well throughout the season.

 

[blueparrot]

Vieira hasn't got a say in anything, why else does he continue to bring Manu Garcia off in the EDS but then he suddenly appears in the first team set up. He's certainly not recommending him to Pelegrini if he can't even trust him himself to play well in his team.

That would be your guess. My guess is Pellegrini, Vieira and Txiki speak to each other all the time.

 

[aguero93:20]

It would be an enormous failure. You are quoting Khaldoon when it suits, but ignoring the stated ambition to build a core of first team players from the academy & whatsmore he said he wanted it sooner rather than later. You keep quoting the other bit about not damaging the first team but missing the whole point of his speech.

Kompany has said the same thing.

It will be a huge failure if this does not happen & the standard of recruits will drop if we don't start increasing the percentage of club produced players in the squad soon.

Do they have to come in at 18 though? Even at Barca only Messi was playing regularly in the first team at that age, the likes of Busquets didn't really nail down a first team spot until 20 and Alba was sold with a buy back clause.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Trust him more or in his contract? What else can you offer when Madrid and Barca are your competitors for a Spanish kid? First team involvement.

Martin Odegaard has in his contract allegedly that he has to train with the first team at all times, don't be surprised if Manu Garcia has the same clause. Why else would he go on the end of season tour ahead of established and good performances in the EDS such as Byrne and Glendon for example. Garcia only played the last few games of last season and hardly impressed, not enough anyway to go on the tour at the expense of 2/3 lads who played well throughout the season.

I'd be surprised if it's a contract thing but playrs we buy/sign do seem to be fast tracked whether they deserve it or not, not just by Pellegrini but also Mancini.

 

[BillyShears]

It would be an enormous failure. You are quoting Khaldoon when it suits, but ignoring the stated ambition to build a core of first team players from the academy & whatsmore he said he wanted it sooner rather than later. You keep quoting the other bit about not damaging the first team but missing the whole point of his speech.

Kompany has said the same thing.

It will be a huge failure if this does not happen & the standard of recruits will drop if we don't start increasing the percentage of club produced players in the squad soon.

But I'm not sure how you can arbitrarily start bandying around some doom and gloom when nothing has actually happened. As in we haven't lost some super talented kid who's tearing it up somewhere else. If anything the youngster we rate seem to be regularly signing new contracts and seem genuinely happy with whatever exposure they are being given to the first team.

I'm going to bow out here mate as I honestly can't relate to you at all.