EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Well my vote was done and posted off today
I can tell you that the "out vote" in The Manchester voting area has two votes so far (me and the Missus)
I can now ignore all the last minute bullshit as I can't change my mind even if I wanted to. Always makes me laugh when politicians leave it till the last minute to make big promises etc as postal voters have already voted. This happened in the last general election as well, The EU referendum vote is already over for lots of us. I can never understand why the vast majority of the electorate don't choose postal voting.

Think this one might be a lot closer than some people think Last time I voted for the loosing side in a election was 1987
 
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hgblue said:
Just thinking about this logically, every single referendum result that has gone against the EU has either been a) ignored or b) put back to the people to 'think again'. I think we'd all agree that they couldn't simply ignore a leave vote because all hell would break loose. So what would the response of the EU be to potentially losing one of it's biggest net contributors, one of the biggest economies on the planet, and it's largest export market? Would it be a c'est la vie approach of well they've voted to leave so we respect the outcome, or do they enter in to serious negotiations to address the concerns of the Brits and accept that we don't see things the same way? I'd say past experience would suggest we'll be ask to think again, but this can't happen without major concessions and this time the British PM won't have to go around kissing the arse of the Polish president to get them, because he'll have a much stronger hand to play with the very real threat of Britain leaving the EU if he doesn't get what he wants.
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This is my point too.
If you want out vote out.

If you want to stay in the EU but want it to change to meet the UK's needs then vote out.

If you were happy with the EU right now as it stands vote out.

If you are happy with the eu progressing towards ever greater federalism then vote in.

A second referendum has to be the likely outcome.
 
Tony Blair on BBC Andrew Marr is the most cringing performance I've seen for a long time. It now seems that he never wanted to join the failed single currency after all.
 
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TonyM said:
This is my point too.
If you want out vote out.

If you want to stay in the EU but want it to change to meet the UK's needs then vote out.

If you were happy with the EU right now as it stands vote out.

If you are happy with the eu progressing towards ever greater federalism then vote in.

A second referendum has to be the likely outcome.
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Hoe does your 2nd one work?
 
whp.blue said:
Well my vote was done and posted off today
I can tell you that the "out vote" in The Manchester voting area has two votes so far (me and the Missus)
I can now ignore all the last minute bullshit as I can't change my mind even if I wanted to. Always makes me laugh when politicians leave it till the last minute to make big promises etc as postal voters have already voted. This happened in the last general election as well, The EU referendum vote is already over for lots of us. I can never understand why the vast majority of the electorate don't choose postal voting.

Think this one might be a lot closer than some people think Last time I voted for the loosing side in a election was 1987
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Where abouts in Manc did you vote mate?

I'm voting out so no fecker can change my mind.

I think the "silent majority" will surprise a few. In public yeah we are diplomatic but in a private booth we want our borders back ! no more immigration or atleast more controlled on our terms. No free open borders.
 
Malty said:
Where abouts in Manc did you vote mate?

I'm voting out so no fecker can change my mind.

I think the "silent majority" will surprise a few. In public yeah we are diplomatic but in a private booth we want our borders back ! no more immigration or atleast more controlled on our terms. No free open borders.
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make your mind up...
 
stonerblue said:
i think you're looking at the 3rd one. I'm on about the 'wanna stay in, want change, vote out' one.
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If you want the EU to stay as is then you want to give them a fright if you want to roll things back but stay in still then you need to give them a fright.

You should only vote in if your rally want to allow the eu to be shaped by Germany and France.
 
Th economists view of brexit.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx

psos MORI conducted an online survey of members of the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists on behalf of the Observer. The survey asked economists for their professional opinions on the likely effect of Britain leaving the EU and the single market on a variety of economic indicators, including real GDP and unemployment.

Of the 639 economists who responded:

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grunge said:
Th economists view of brexit.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3739/Economists-Views-on-Brexit.aspx

psos MORI conducted an online survey of members of the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists on behalf of the Observer. The survey asked economists for their professional opinions on the likely effect of Britain leaving the EU and the single market on a variety of economic indicators, including real GDP and unemployment.

Of the 639 economists who responded:

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Interesting. Only 17% of them responded. Wonder what the other 83% think.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
A bit of forethought by our Govenment would do any harm, especially as it appears other governments abroad are doing so.
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From what I've read the discussions between the core EU countries cover two areas. Firstly, the initial crisis management if we vote out. The action to be taken to stabilise the financial system and avoid recession. Secondly, initial discussions on what the EU's negotiating position with the UK would be. Whether to adopt a "punitive" approach to the UK in order to prevent contagion, or a more conciliatory approach.

The government, Treasury and B of E should definitely be doing some contingency planning to deal with the financial shock of a vote Leave. If they were to widely publicise that they were doing that I expect they would be accused of scaremongering. My guess is that they are doing some contingency planning but not enough.

Its also important that some thought is being given to the UK's negotiating strategy if we vote out. In particular whether or not we will seek access to the single market. But it would be entirely pointless for Cameron and the existing government to do that since they would have no say in the matter.
 
Malty said:
Where abouts in Manc did you vote mate?

I'm voting out so no fecker can change my mind.

I think the "silent majority" will surprise a few. In public yeah we are diplomatic but in a private booth we want our borders back ! no more immigration or atleast more controlled on our terms. No free open borders.
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woodhouse park but the ballot paper just read Manchester area
 
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We cannot run the risk of a recession (or slow down) that leaving the EU might bring. When the economy catches a cold health and social care usually has the flu for several years!
 
Tim of the Oak said:
We have had more Liberty in Europe as part of the European Union. Russia, for example, would love to see a fragmented Europe!
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Why? Is it about the time when the unelected leader of the EU met the unelected leader of Ukraine to complain about an election in the Crimea? That time when the Russian government complained?
 
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