EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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AlgarveBlu said:
In summary then you have concluded that any discussions about potential trading arrangements that could be favourable to the UK are fantasy and that the EU is not on a path to closer union - some talent you got their pal! and next weeks lottery numbers are?

Here's a quote from Manuel Barros (He was the previous president of the eu between 2004 and 2014, just in case anyone on the leave side with learning difficulties are struggling with that one) -

Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso
A fully fledged federal Europe may seem like "political science fiction" today but will soon become reality for all European Union countries whether inside or outside the euro, Jose Manuel Barroso has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-a-few-years-says-Jose-Manuel-Barroso.html

So in essence someone who was the president of the eu for 10 years was talking out of his arse - I wonder how and why he formed such an opinion?
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I'm confused now do I believe a former president of the EU or a poster off bluemoon? Plus world war 3 doesn't seem like much fun unless it's off season
 
AlgarveBlu said:
In summary then you have concluded that any discussions about potential trading arrangements that could be favourable to the UK are fantasy and that the EU is not on a path to closer union - some talent you got their pal! and next weeks lottery numbers are?

Here's a quote from Manuel Barros (He was the previous president of the eu between 2004 and 2014, just in case anyone on the leave side with learning difficulties are struggling with that one) -

Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso
A fully fledged federal Europe may seem like "political science fiction" today but will soon become reality for all European Union countries whether inside or outside the euro, Jose Manuel Barroso has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-a-few-years-says-Jose-Manuel-Barroso.html

So in essence someone who was the president of the eu for 10 years was talking out of his arse - I wonder how and why he formed such an opinion?
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Course Fumble knows better. He's a fan of Corbyn for a start.
 
cibaman said:
Is that why the Leavers leaders are treating their target audience as if they are all stupid?

Today we have Gove and Johnson publishing an open letter to Cameron on his failure to meet immigration targets. As if they haven't enough supporters already banging on about the subject. Surely, if they need that stuff they can rely on Farage and the Daily Mail? Gove is probably the only Leaver MP capable of making an intelligent argument for Brexit, he ought to be focusing entirely on the structural problems of the EU, the Euro etc. Instead they've got him sinking to the bottom of the barrel.
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Immigration and democracy are the two big issues in fairness, structural problems won't be much of a swinger. The most rational thinkers for leaving so far have been David Davies and the guy who worked for Cameron whose name escapes me
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Afraid not MF he's bang on the money, else ALL the important fiscal decisions will not include UK. The Europeans Eurozoners will quite naturally look after their own and do what's best for the Euro, as for the pound sterling, they will quite rightly nit give a flying fig!
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You know it. I know it. And they know it. But it weakens their argument so they try and ignore it. It's exactly like Martinez saying Sterling wasn't fouled in the last minute of the league game. He doesn't really believe it but feels he has to say it.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
There wont be some announcement of a federal state, I suspect it will begin with the implementation of light weight tax harmonisation programmes throughout the 'Eurozone' countries gradually moving to a more consolidated position in around 5 years (the use of an eu tax identification number is an example of the foundations being placed) - as I understand it the extent of the UK's veto on Eurozone matters is minimalistic.

They're won't be any obligation to join the euro for the uk but ultimately the reparatory work on the political and fiscal framework that is needed to support the euro will be vast and there will be an overspill in many areas on fiscal elements (before political) that will impact the non Eurozone members - if the eu is headed for a two tier system then the weighting of preference on the framework needed with the ECB, the regulators, the bond market and the banking sector will always go to the Eurozone. The amount of political capital that has gone into this currency is unprecedented we have all seen what they have been prepared to do to a sovereign nation state in Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Cyprus over the last 6 years to ensure that nothing deviates away from that.
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Did the EU invent the requirement for borrowers to pay back loans? I thought this principle went back to the origins of banking?

Ireland seems to be thriving again whilst Greece is suffering. It's not all down to the EU!
 
AlgarveBlu said:
In summary then you have concluded that any discussions about potential trading arrangements that could be favourable to the UK are fantasy and that the EU is not on a path to closer union - some talent you got their pal! and next weeks lottery numbers are?

Here's a quote from Manuel Barros (He was the previous president of the eu between 2004 and 2014, just in case anyone on the leave side with learning difficulties are struggling with that one) -

Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso
A fully fledged federal Europe may seem like "political science fiction" today but will soon become reality for all European Union countries whether inside or outside the euro, Jose Manuel Barroso has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-a-few-years-says-Jose-Manuel-Barroso.html

So in essence someone who was the president of the eu for 10 years was talking out of his arse - I wonder how and why he formed such an opinion?
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LOL...So what? In politics people take positions that are unrealistic in order to pull the debate towards them, Farage, Thatcher in her day, even Corbyn, have taken up positional politics, they do this as a counter weight against the other end of the political spectrum in order to re-position the centre ground towards their view.
 
lazerblue said:
£15 a pint and the same for breakfast if u believe the inners, plus vat of course
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And a million Turkish gangsters will be on our doorsteps next week if you believe the outers. Plus free trade deals with no committment to free movement of people lol!!
 
hilts said:
Immigration and democracy are the two big issues in fairness, structural problems won't be much of a swinger. The most rational thinkers for leaving so far have been David Davies and the guy who worked for Cameron whose name escapes me
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Steve Hilton.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Afraid not MF he's bang on the money, else ALL the important fiscal decisions will not include UK. The Europeans Eurozoners will quite naturally look after their own and do what's best for the Euro, as for the pound sterling, they will quite rightly nit give a flying fig!
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And we will look after the City of London and be happy that we are not in the Euro Zone!
 
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