EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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so why vote out and lose any say or influence then

I see your word blindness extends to reality at times, so just for you I will explain a fact, the UK has opposed policy in the EU seventy two times and has been defeated seventy two times, so where exactly is this say or influence ?.

Call me dave went begging for a few scraps to put some kind of veneer on his " Major Reforms of the EU" and was left holding his dick, so where was this say or influence ?.

You make claim that within the people who want to get the f*ck out of the totally corrupt EU are "Racist elements", I would say equally balanced by the communists/socialists/bleeding heart liberals who epitomize the fascist tactics of trying to prevent free speech by snide ridicule and insult for daring to hold opposing views.
 
You are confusing sovereignty and being self sufficient my friend. We are a global trading nation with great people who help power this country and the world.

It's not the Stone Age we are all interconnected.
It does seem that a lot of inners assume that we would be at a virtual state of war post brexit. I'm hoping we don't have to brick up the channel tunnel and never eat croissants again tbh.
 
It does seem that a lot of inners assume that we would be at a virtual state of war post brexit. I'm hoping we don't have to brick up the channel tunnel and never eat croissants again tbh.

there is a story today that says the wwf and the rspb are saying brexit could be a threat to our birds and bees in the uk.

The inners really need to get their shit together as this fuckin nonsense and scare stories is the reason undecided vote is moving to out. Economic collapse , war and now the fuckin birds and bees leaving.......

Btw I know gove and boris get a hammering but preti Patel seems pretty switched on and switches my switch.... ;)
 
The inners really need to get their shit together as this fuckin nonsense and scare stories is the reason undecided vote is moving to out. Economic collapse , war and now the fuckin birds and bees leaving.......

Bird n Bees might stay but you'll have less chance of practicing the Birds n Bees with European women
 
Gold! There he been some pearlers from this phone this week, especially the ones from the cross trainer

I don't understand your comments possibly because your auto spell check has taken over...I assume your having a dig which is fine but for what its worth I think your posts are informative and genuinely your own opinions.

I sense that many of your posts are driven from an ideological start point and the matter or question at hand is somehow re-engineered into the ideology (doesn't make the answer wrong though). I guess I'm the opposite and I look at the mechanics of what has happened and is happening to make an assessment of how it will impact not just my future but those around me -I will get hit form a commercial perspective with a leave vote but I don't give a shit as I think the eu have ripped the lives of millions of people apart with their primary school fiscal and monetary project they have unleashed on europe and they are directly responsible for the political shifts left and right in Europe with their disjointed migration policy as the ballot boxes have been testifying - We've been here before in Europe haven't we.
 
If you do vote leave you might as well know the truth rather than BoB's views

Or perhaps the repentant Minister who took us into the single market an knows a little more than some ?

What would Britain’s position be if the UK electorate decides to remain in the EU on these slightly modified terms? Clearly we have abandoned the “heart of Europe” strategy. If that meant paying enthusiastic lip service on the continent to the European Project, so much the better. Supporting measures we did not want so as to win influence to prevent them happening was never a credible strategy. We have voted against 72 EU measures and lost every time.
Instead, we would be adopting the “appendix of Europe” strategy. The appendix is the one bit of the anatomy, left over from evolution, which serves no function. Likewise, our membership no longer serves any function in a body whose primary purpose (political union) we reject, whose main projects (the euro; Schengen) we are not part of, whose laws we find onerous and whose economic attractions have turned into costs. The alternative is to leave.

That was not my initial position. I was concerned it might involve disruption. But closer study convinces me that it can be done smoothly. There are plenty of precedents for countries leaving far closer unions than the EU. First we should adopt existing EU law into UK law: we would then be free to amend them in due course.

Next, under the “principle of continuity”, we would accede to most EU trade and other treaties on existing terms. In the unlikely event the EU refused a trade agreement, we could ensure our export trade was unaffected by using the savings on our EU contribution to reimburse the tariffs exporters would otherwise face, still leaving £4 billion to spare. We could make our own trade deals . As the Minister who implemented the Single Market, I believe membership brings little further benefit but exposes us to ever more regulation.

By Peter Lilley MP (Telegraph)
 
Good to see Corbyn showing his true colours at last this morning - Has said that he would veto TTIP if in government and has said that shock gasp horror Gerge Osbourne is talking shit with his economic brexit predictions - part of his comments below:-

There are just three weeks to go until the referendum vote on 23 June, but too much of the debate so far has been dominated by myth-making and prophecies of doom. In the final stage of this referendum, as we get closer to what is expected by many to be a very tight vote, it does not help the debate over such a serious issue if the hype and histrionic claims continue or worse intensify ...

Just over a week ago, George Osborne claimed that the British economy would enter a year-long recession if we voted to leave. This is the same George Osborne who predicted his austerity policies would close the deficit by 2015. That’s now scheduled for 2021.

It’s the same George Osborne who said the British economy would be “carried aloft by the march of the makers” yet the manufacturing sector has stagnated ever since, and manufacturing employment declined.
 
Boris playing a blinder - some big bets being placed on leave and building up his campaign perfectly.

Getting more confident by the day of a Brexit!
 
You are confusing sovereignty and being self sufficient my friend. We are a global trading nation with great people who help power this country and the world.

It's not the Stone Age we are all interconnected.
No I am not Sovereignty is the ability to govern yourself without outside interference if you don't even have the basics needed to live and control your infrastructure and defence in reality you don't have sovereignty
 
But high unemployment is not a particularly big concern here in the UK right now. Of course if you are out of work (as I am about to be, incidentally) that may seem like hollow words, but it's true that of the many challenges we are facing, unemployment is not top of the agenda and it isn't high by any historical standards.

The bigger problem is the downward pressure on wages in the unskilled jobs market. But when you think about it, on the other side of the coin that means that employers are more able to keep their costs down, keep the costs of their goods and services more competitive and are more likely to prosper, create wealth, pay more tax, hire more people. A large pool of cheap labour is very good for the economy and if the economy does well, it helps everyone. We have more tax revenues to spend on the NHS, on welfare and everything else.

I've said on here before,its just not unskilled jobs thats been effected by cheap labour,its the skilled construction/engineering sectors thats been decimated by them,
When you state
(Employers are more able to keep their costs down, keep the costs of their goods and services more competitive and are more likely to prosper, create wealth, pay more tax, hire more people
A large pool of cheap labour is very good for the economy and if the economy does well, it helps everyone. We have more tax revenues to spend on the NHS, on welfare and everything else).

So when Cadbury closed down their site in the Uk & moved it to poland as the price off your chocolate bar gone down? (seeing there on £2.ph compared to maybe £8/10 ph as they were on overhere)

Also cheap labour & more taxes is good for the economy..So its good that the taxpayer is subsidising companies that pay low wages with in-work benefits(which as been stated by all our main parties in the past).
The Uk is one off the most expensive places to live & if the Brits aren't earning(as what they use to earn) they wont be spending,so how is that good for the economy??...
 
I don't understand your comments possibly because your auto spell check has taken over...I assume your having a dig which is fine but for what its worth I think your posts are informative and genuinely your own opinions.

I sense that many of your posts are driven from an ideological start point and the matter or question at hand is somehow re-engineered into the ideology (doesn't make the answer wrong though). I guess I'm the opposite and I look at the mechanics of what has happened and is happening to make an assessment of how it will impact not just my future but those around me -I will get hit form a commercial perspective with a leave vote but I don't give a shit as I think the eu have ripped the lives of millions of people apart with their primary school fiscal and monetary project they have unleashed on europe and they are directly responsible for the political shifts left and right in Europe with their disjointed migration policy as the ballot boxes have been testifying - We've been here before in Europe haven't we.
I was having a dig at me for making posts on a phone whilst being at the gym on the cross trainer .
 
I've said on here before,its just not unskilled jobs thats been effected by cheap labour,its the skilled construction/engineering sectors thats been decimated by them,
When you state
(Employers are more able to keep their costs down, keep the costs of their goods and services more competitive and are more likely to prosper, create wealth, pay more tax, hire more people
A large pool of cheap labour is very good for the economy and if the economy does well, it helps everyone. We have more tax revenues to spend on the NHS, on welfare and everything else).

So when Cadbury closed down their site in the Uk & moved it to poland as the price off your chocolate bar gone down? (seeing there on £2.ph compared to maybe £8/10 ph as they were on overhere)

Also cheap labour & more taxes is good for the economy..So its good that the taxpayer is subsidising companies that pay low wages with in-work benefits(which as been stated by all our main parties in the past).
The Uk is one off the most expensive places to live & if the Brits aren't earning(as what they use to earn) they wont be spending,so how is that good for the economy??...
These are just the realities of the capitalist model we have chosen. Being out of the EU can only make this worse as we will be increasingly competing with even lower cost less regulated markets .
 
Good to see Corbyn showing his true colours at last this morning - Has said that he would veto TTIP if in government and has said that shock gasp horror Gerge Osbourne is talking shit with his economic brexit predictions - part of his comments below:-

There are just three weeks to go until the referendum vote on 23 June, but too much of the debate so far has been dominated by myth-making and prophecies of doom. In the final stage of this referendum, as we get closer to what is expected by many to be a very tight vote, it does not help the debate over such a serious issue if the hype and histrionic claims continue or worse intensify ...

Just over a week ago, George Osborne claimed that the British economy would enter a year-long recession if we voted to leave. This is the same George Osborne who predicted his austerity policies would close the deficit by 2015. That’s now scheduled for 2021.

It’s the same George Osborne who said the British economy would be “carried aloft by the march of the makers” yet the manufacturing sector has stagnated ever since, and manufacturing employment declined.

Its also laughable that cameroon Stated 4/5mths ago that the uk would do very well out off the eu..But now its doom & more doom...
 
These are just the realities of the capitalist model we have chosen. Being out of the EU can only make this worse as we will be increasingly competing with even lower cost less regulated markets .

I very much doubt it.we will be free of the bullshite trading regs what the eu bureaucrats force onto us.
Watched a in/out program the other night(laura Kuenssberg) companies having to decline selling their goods outside the eu because eu put such high tariffs on them,
Which mean its protectionism & not competitive.But when it turned its called competitive to our eu masters..
 
I've said on here before,its just not unskilled jobs thats been effected by cheap labour,its the skilled construction/engineering sectors thats been decimated by them,
When you state
(Employers are more able to keep their costs down, keep the costs of their goods and services more competitive and are more likely to prosper, create wealth, pay more tax, hire more people
A large pool of cheap labour is very good for the economy and if the economy does well, it helps everyone. We have more tax revenues to spend on the NHS, on welfare and everything else).

So when Cadbury closed down their site in the Uk & moved it to poland as the price off your chocolate bar gone down? (seeing there on £2.ph compared to maybe £8/10 ph as they were on overhere)

Also cheap labour & more taxes is good for the economy..So its good that the taxpayer is subsidising companies that pay low wages with in-work benefits(which as been stated by all our main parties in the past).
The Uk is one off the most expensive places to live & if the Brits aren't earning(as what they use to earn) they wont be spending,so how is that good for the economy??...

You're right - surely no-one will want to come here then and we don't have a problem???!!?

How can restricting the labour market and thereby pushing up employers' costs possibly be good for the economy? Answer: it isn't.
 
Or perhaps the repentant Minister who took us into the single market an knows a little more than some ?

What would Britain’s position be if the UK electorate decides to remain in the EU on these slightly modified terms? Clearly we have abandoned the “heart of Europe” strategy. If that meant paying enthusiastic lip service on the continent to the European Project, so much the better. Supporting measures we did not want so as to win influence to prevent them happening was never a credible strategy. We have voted against 72 EU measures and lost every time.
Instead, we would be adopting the “appendix of Europe” strategy. The appendix is the one bit of the anatomy, left over from evolution, which serves no function. Likewise, our membership no longer serves any function in a body whose primary purpose (political union) we reject, whose main projects (the euro; Schengen) we are not part of, whose laws we find onerous and whose economic attractions have turned into costs. The alternative is to leave.

That was not my initial position. I was concerned it might involve disruption. But closer study convinces me that it can be done smoothly. There are plenty of precedents for countries leaving far closer unions than the EU. First we should adopt existing EU law into UK law: we would then be free to amend them in due course.

Next, under the “principle of continuity”, we would accede to most EU trade and other treaties on existing terms. In the unlikely event the EU refused a trade agreement, we could ensure our export trade was unaffected by using the savings on our EU contribution to reimburse the tariffs exporters would otherwise face, still leaving £4 billion to spare. We could make our own trade deals . As the Minister who implemented the Single Market, I believe membership brings little further benefit but exposes us to ever more regulation.

By Peter Lilley MP (Telegraph)
Haha. No sign of the **** since you posted that!
 
You're right - surely no-one will want to come here then and we don't have a problem???!!?

How can restricting the labour market and thereby pushing up employers' costs possibly be good for the economy? Answer: it isn't.

The economy isn't the be all and end all. Do you think it'd be good for the economy for us all to work for much less, to the delight of our employers?
 
The economy isn't the be all and end all. Do you think it'd be good for the economy for us all to work for much less, to the delight of our employers?

I completely disagree mate. I understand what you are saying, but the health of the economy is THE most important thing. In fact its the ONLY important thing.

With a healthy, vibrant and prosperous economy, we generate the tax revenues we need to deliver the excellent public services everyone wants. We get to spend more on the NHS and more on welfare to support the most vulnerable. Critically, we get to spend more on schools and education and then we have a better educated, better skilled workforce that can command the better, more highly paid jobs. Leaving the lower paid, unskilled jobs for other people to do. in essence, we move the entire of society, "up market".

But the wealth creation has to come first. It's the prerequisite and necessarily the precursor to everything else. If you do it the other way around, paying for all the stuff you want first, then you end up with a country crippled with debt, burdened by unaffordable taxes and stifled growth. That's completely the wrong approach and history shows it never works.
 
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