EU referendum

[sir baconface]

Australia is utterly contaminated by it. Thankfully there were some who weren't bastards from Wilberforce to Attlee and from the Quakers etc who turned much of it around.

but You can go and see some of the hell holes in the territory or the remembrance shrines to the completely exterminated aborigines of Tasmania too see the worst of British imperialism not that many generations ago

And you can see CURRENT examples of barbarism in hell-holes all over the globe. Let me guess though. That will be solely down to the legacy us nasty Brits inflicted on a lily-white world.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Take out all the blinkered emotion and the hanging on to history, why is 65 million the right size? Why not 5 million or 500m

Because the infrastructure is creaking and can barely support what we already have here.... Why add to the size of the problem?

To your analogy of a plane and parachute. If you had a migrant boat with 100 people on and it's taking on water, barely afloat, why would you ask another 20 to jump on?

 

[EalingBlue2]

Not defending the daily mail at all. Just agreeing that your post was at best ridiculous and worst bloody stupid.... take your pick!

The Mail is all those things even hidden by sarcastic exaggeration, I am glad you feel the need to jump to that tax dodgers right wing rag though. If more energy was spent dealing with people like him rather than poor immigrants you may start to get some of the improvements in equality, fairness, health , education etc you should be wanting.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Because the infrastructure is creaking and can barely support what we already have here.... Why add to the size of the problem?

The infrastructures creaking because it all got sold off and the Brotish people preferred gold bling and Betamax video recorders than investment in the future when thatcher taught us that's what we should aspire to. Go and drive through the Rhondda and tell me that's because of the EU and we should be blaming the Germans for what's happened there

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

I just cannot see a compelling argument to leave. We know what the status quo looks like and by staying in we can influence European legislation and attitudes going forwards.

The outs paint broad brush strokes about benefits from leaving but cannot define in detail what they are and some of their allegations are just plain wrong. For example - we are ruled by Europe and all our laws come from Brussels. There are 180 bills tabled so far for this parliament - that doesn't look like a country who just accepts laws from abroad.

I have heard we pay anything from £50m to £56m per day to the EU. Yes we would stop paying that but none of the outers say how that saved money would be spent. I doubt very much anybody of my "class" will see any of that money - no promises to use it to abolish NI for example. They talk about freedom to trade with the world - that just isn't so simple - there will be years of negotiations around the world with various countries and trading blocs to secure markets beyond the initial promise of a trade agreement. And when it comes to Europe forget what the current leaders say or promise in a few years time if it suits the then German chancellor or French President to fuck us over on trade they will.

It seems to me - mostly thanks to a right wing bias in the press the whole debate will revolve around immigration. Its about way way more than that and the irony will be that its likely leaving will make things worse If we aren't in the EU the French will put the entire population of the Jungle on trains and let them go set up shop on our South Coast - we won't have any fences any cops any border guards on French soil to try and stop it - why? Because we voted to come out of the EU.

Hhmmm much fear in you I sense

 

[EalingBlue2]

And you can see CURRENT examples of barbarism in hell-holes all over the globe. Let me guess though. That will be solely down to the legacy us nasty Brits inflicted on a lily-white world.

In some places it is, in many places Britain never went there but if you are going to base our future on going backwards to a mythical history then some honesty about that history is needed

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Go on defend the Daily Mail, it's tax dodging hard right owner and it's disgusting hate politics

Fear and hatred are bedfellows, constantly making disparaging comments about a publication that can be bought or not with free will
shows a typical Stalinist mindset, 'I hate this paper, so anyone who reads it must be a ****, and it should be banned.'
Give it a fucking rest for Christ's sake, the Daily Mirror, that socialist arbiter of all things wonderful, had the same owner, the Guardian can spout
equally obnoxious shite, as can the FT, Telegraph, Daily Sport or fucking Razzle.

 

[sir baconface]

In some places it is, in many places Britain never went there but if you are going to base our future on going backwards to a mythical history then some honesty about that history is needed

On the contrary, mate. I am looking forward. You were the one who was self-flagellating about misdeeds in the past. Just as you were reminiscing about antiquated industries and a Jurassic industrial relations era.

 

[urban genie]

Tired of the referendom now, switched on andrew marr and it's gonna be another tory bun fight, with neither saying anything new probably, BBC mix it up and invite other people from labour, libs, greens, unions etc to argue for and against, instead of the same shit every day to fit a narrative of boris v ham face

 

[sir baconface]

Fear and hatred are bedfellows, constantly making disparaging comments about a publication that can be bought or not with free will
shows a typical Stalinist mindset, 'I hate this paper, so anyone who reads it must be a ****, and it should be banned.'
Give it a fucking rest for Christ's sake, the Daily Mirror, that socialist arbiter of all things wonderful, had the same owner, the Guardian can spout
equally obnoxious shite, as can the FT, Telegraph, Daily Sport or fucking Razzle.

A paper can't be all bad if it upsets those who tried to suppress the immigration debate for years by shouting "racist".

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

In some places it is, in many places Britain never went there but if you are going to base our future on going backwards to a mythical history then some honesty about that history is needed

If it was down to you we would play imagine by John Lennon each day and hold hands around the world.....

Anyone who had a view which did not accord with your own ideological patronism would be banished and whipped. After all eb does not believe in democracy so it would not matter and he could eject them from where he lived.

I hope that throne in Australia is high enough for you as you survey the rest of the world and tell us minions how it is where we live... Of course you know best.You should stand for president of the world and have done with it.

Have you sent your Aussie gun ships on patrol today to check you are not being invaded today???

 

[EalingBlue2]

A paper can't be all bad if it upsets those who tried to suppress the immigration debate for years by shouting "racist".

The anti immigration extremes don't want a debate they aren't interested in a debate, aren't interested in facts or root causes , unthinking blame and emotion is much easier

 

[EalingBlue2]

If it was down to you we would play imagine by John Lennon each day and hold hands around the world.....

Anyone who had a view which did not accord with your own ideological patronism would be banished and whipped. After all eb does not believe in democracy so it would not matter and he could eject them from where he lived.

I hope that throne in Australia is high enough for you as you survey the rest of the world and tell us minions how it is where we live... Of course you know best.You should stand for president of the world and have done with it.

Have you sent your Aussie gun ships on patrol today to check you are not being invaded today???

Not a bad idea at all! Never liked Imagine, never been interested in airy fairy shit, responsibility, hard work , do as you would be done by and taking responsibility for what you do as an individual or as a nation. Too much of this lack of responsibility rife now. We bomb countries but won't deal with the consequences, we run down communities and create ghettos and then blame the poor or the immigrants themselves . We allow people to dodge tax and wealthy bankers to crush our economy and then blame the Europeans etc etc etc

That's what is against my ethics

 

[BigJoe#1]

The Mail is all those things even hidden by sarcastic exaggeration, I am glad you feel the need to jump to that tax dodgers right wing rag though. If more energy was spent dealing with people like him rather than poor immigrants you may start to get some of the improvements in equality, fairness, health , education etc you should be wanting.

Another subject about which you think you a lot but actually.... For the record I don't read the Daily Mail. Clearly you do else your critcsism is groundless

 

[EalingBlue2]

A paper can't be all bad if it upsets those who tried to suppress the immigration debate for years by shouting "racist".

Don't confuse pity with upset

 

[BigJoe#1]

The infrastructures creaking because it all got sold off and the Brotish people preferred gold bling and Betamax video recorders than investment in the future when thatcher taught us that's what we should aspire to. Go and drive through the Rhondda and tell me that's because of the EU and we should be blaming the Germans for what's happened there

You still don't answer the question. Our boat is sinking, taking on water... Why are we brining more people aboard?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Not a bad idea at all! Never liked Imagine, never been interested in airy fairy shit, responsibility, hard work , do as you would be done by and taking responsibility for what you do as an individual or as a nation. Too much of this lack of responsibility rife now. We bomb countries but won't deal with the consequences, we run down communities and create ghettos and then blame the poor or the immigrants themselves . We allow people to dodge tax and wealthy bankers to crush our economy and then blame the Europeans etc etc etc

That's what is against my ethics

You have my vote el presidente de mondo. Am now playing things will only get better by d ream....

Some other joker had that as his anthem as well...

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I'm voting for both. A cross in both boxes. They're both a bunch of skunks.

 

[EalingBlue2]

You still don't answer the question. Our boat is sinking, taking on water... Why are we brining more people aboard?

The boat is sinking because of nothing to do with those people it is sinking because .

Thatcher , even Blair created a society where you are all conditioned every day to resent the poor, the weak. Where is fine for a billionaire tax dodger to push the agenda that immigrants are to blame for problems. Where people who live in slums prefer to divide and blame each other for the issue rather than loom at the society that has let them down. You have a government who wants to get rid of the NHS, millionaire bankers who near bankrupted us all and still have their 5 homes and media moguls who tell you lies whilst avoiding the country in case they have to pay a penny of tax. That's why the boat is sinking

Maybe going to fix the engine or patch the holes, empty out water would be a more worthwhile exercise than standing at the back pushing people back into the water as the boat continues to sink

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Another subject about which you think you a lot but actually.... For the record I don't read the Daily Mail. Clearly you do else your critcsism is groundless

This is what tickles me, they know the in-depth content of something they despise.
I fucking hate marzipan, it's why I never eat Christmas cake.