EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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sorry....88% of 600 economists in one report and 9 out of 10 in the other agree it will weaken the economy and could link 100's of other websites that report the same findings....but I'm sure the outs will try and twist this....but I'm fine with that and come to accept it! Not saying I agree with everything they say but their is a overwhelming pattern against leaving...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron

Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron
Poll shows 88% of 600 experts fear long-term fall in GDP if UK leaves single market, and 82% are alarmed over impact on household income

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-05-29/...e-leaving-the-eu-would-damage-the-uk-economy/

  1. ITV REPORT
  2. 29 May 2016 at 12:39am
Almost nine in 10 economists believe leaving the EU would damage the UK economy
The "Nine in ten economists" stat has been debunked already.

"The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven."

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016...-agree-britain-would-be-worse-off-outside-eu/
 
Can you justify that 90% figure? Or is it just plucked out of thin air?

Even if the pound becomes weaker against the Euro in the short term, that could actually be good in some ways. It makes our exports more competitive but, on the other hand, makes imports from the Eurozone dearer. The export growth could push up growth, productivity and wages but the rise in prices of imported goods might hit growth, through lower consumption. Swings and roundabouts. But higher prices can also lead to higher inflation, which is not in itself a bad thing as it reduces the real level of debt and encourages companies to invest.

The truth is that no one really knows, with any degree of certainty, what the economic outcome will be. If economic forecasting was an accurate science, we'd have eliminated the budget deficit by 2015. The fact is that it's still growing. The economic arguments might have some validity if the EU was a prosperous and financially stable group but it clearly isn't. Some countries are struggling with debt, productivity and crippling unemployment. The EU has not helped countries like France & Italy tackle their chronic economic under-performance but has propped them up and protected them to a large degree.

90%? Mate just posted 2 links of reports to the thread to confirm where I get that number from..I dont just "pluck out of thin air" to try to win an argument.......cheers
 
The "Nine in ten economists" stat has been debunked already.

"The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven."
I pointed that out hundreds of posts back. Not as concise though. lol
 
90%? Mate just posted 2 links of reports to the thread to confirm where I get that number from..I dont just "pluck out of thin air" to try to win an argument.......cheers
A recent poll by Ipsos Mori did find that 88% of economists responding to the survey thought the UK economy would be negatively affected if the UK left the EU and the single market, according to fact-checking organisation Full Fact.

But Ipsos Mori stresses that the survey “should only be taken as representative of those who responded”.
 
Yes but your name sums up where labour led by Corbyn are unfortunately ...

Johnson probably has a better idea of where the north of England is than Corbyn. He is too busy enjoying his north London dinner parties.....

Corbyn does not know what hard work is, he is the laziest leader I have ever seen of any political party. I see the remainers are urging him to get involved as the north of England they think holds the key to the decision. Well nobody listened to our concerns during the election so why should it change now..... And the truth is Corbyn could not really give a shit whether we are in or out.
Corbyn has been a complete and utter disaster in this referendum. If he wants to stay in, he's done a fantastic job of getting the nation to vote leave. Just because he doesn't want to share a platform with Cameron! Really? What a complete and utter dick!
 
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LOL at the sheer stupidity of that statement. It's Michael Owen-esque.

Here's some independent economists who feel Brexit won't be a problem: http://www.economistsforbrexit.co.uk/

I agree it does sound Michael-Owen-esque but still stand by the fact some of the arguments on the thread hold no weight and it does almost feel like people "enjoy" trying to put others down...where is the "intelligent" debate in that?
 
The "Nine in ten economists" stat has been debunked already.

"The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven."

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016...-agree-britain-would-be-worse-off-outside-eu/


as they say "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"
 
sorry....88% of 600 economists in one report and 9 out of 10 in the other agree it will weaken the economy and could link 100's of other websites that report the same findings....but I'm sure the outs will try and twist this....but I'm fine with that and come to accept it! Not saying I agree with everything they say but their is a overwhelming pattern against leaving...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron

Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron
Poll shows 88% of 600 experts fear long-term fall in GDP if UK leaves single market, and 82% are alarmed over impact on household income

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-05-29/...e-leaving-the-eu-would-damage-the-uk-economy/

  1. ITV REPORT
  2. 29 May 2016 at 12:39am
Almost nine in 10 economists believe leaving the EU would damage the UK economy

You're quoting the same poll not two different ones. And you've no idea whether these economists were independent or not. The poll was taken among members of two societies, The Royal Economic Society which has 3,000 members, and the Society of Business Economists, which has 600. So that's 3,600 in all of which 600 responded to the survey. That's one sixth of the total membership, of who 88% (approximately 525) thought that Brexit would be damaging financially. That's 525 out of 3,600, which is less than 15% of the overall membership of those two societies.

15% of the membership of the The Royal Economic Society/Society of Business Economists warning about the negative impact of Brexit is not quite so apocalyptic is it, particularly when you don't know who those 15% are. Many could be Treasury or other Government economists, who are clearly pushing the negative side of Brexit.
 
as they say "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"
So doesn't this present, in your view, that Cameron and the Remain campaign have been 'economical' (pardon the pun) with the truth regarding the issue about economic 'experts' saying leaving the EU is a bad thing? They always cite this "Nine out of Ten" statistic as 'evidence' that leaving is bad for the economy because 'we is experts' say so.
 
The "Nine in ten economists" stat has been debunked already.

"The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven."

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016...-agree-britain-would-be-worse-off-outside-eu/

Most polls are based on smaller sample sizes. 14.7% is quite high for a poll where those taking part have to go to even the slightest bother to respond. Anything over 10% is usually considered to be a very good response.
 
Corbyn has been a complete and utter disaster in this referendum. If he wants to stay in, he's done a fantastic job of getting the nation to vote leave. Just because he doesn't want to share a platform with Cameron! really what a complete and utter dick!
I knew corbyn would be at fault. I'm surprised the BBC and govt have not pointed out that thus is all his doing.
I'm actually surprised he's had time to ruin the referendum inbetween befriending terrorists, causing the war in Syria by voting against it, and spying for Russia. If he wasn't so busy promoting anti Semitism I'm sure he'd be all over it
 
Most polls are based on smaller sample sizes. 14.7% is quite high for a poll where those taking part have to go to even the slightest bother to respond. Anything over 10% is usually considered to be a very good response.
According to whom?

I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to any poll that attracted less than 35% minimum of respondents, nor would I use the statistic as evidential fact that economists predict an economic disaster in the event of leaving the EU.
 
So doesn't this present, in your view, that Cameron and the Remain campaign have been 'economical' (pardon the pun) with the truth regarding the issue about economic 'experts' saying leaving the EU is a bad thing? They always cite this "Nine out of Ten" statistic as 'evidence' that leaving is bad for the economy because 'we is experts' say so.

I agree mate.....every politician on both sides are "economical" with the truth..sadly seems to come with the territory...but facts are facts that those that did reply, the majority shared the same view.....that was the only point I was trying to make...they were overwhelmingly against leaving....
 
I agree mate.....every politician on both sides are "economical" with the truth..sadly seems to come with the territory...but facts are facts that those that did reply, the majority shared the same view.....that was the only point I was trying to make...they were overwhelmingly against leaving....
So 14,7% of members of the Royal Economic Society want out then?
 
So 14,7% of members of the Royal Economic Society want out then?

You read the same report I did mate.....cant really argue with the statistics in the report..they are what they are...no matter what we believe there really isnt "any" argument to what their "opinion" is, clearly the overwhelming majority of those that replied feel leaving would be worse for the economy.....I dont really need to add anything else because that was the only point I was trying to make......
 
You read the same report I did mate.....cant really argue with the statistics in the report..they are what they are...no matter what we believe there really isnt "any" argument to what their "opinion" is, clearly the overwhelming majority of those that replied feel leaving would be worse for the economy.....I dont really need to add anything else because that was the only point I was trying to make......
You don't know who these respondents were or even who commissioned the poll. If Ipsos MORI went into the Bishop Blaize before a derby and did a poll about whether Ciry were a bigger club than the rags there wouldn't be any argument about what their opinion would be. Doesn't make it a fact though.
 
June 10
Yesterday – roughly 24 hours ago now – BT.com published research conducted among over 20,000 of its site users during May and June to date. It showed a whopping 80% of BT.com users (probably biased young and techie) definitely proposing to vote Leave in the 23rd June UK Referendum on EU membership. At some point earlier today, the internet removed all evidence of the research study: it is now an Unevent. The Slog investigates.
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/0...-shows-80-for-leave-then-abruptly-disappears/
 
You read the same report I did mate.....cant really argue with the statistics in the report..they are what they are...no matter what we believe there really isnt "any" argument to what their "opinion" is, clearly the overwhelming majority of those that replied feel leaving would be worse for the economy.....I dont really need to add anything else because that was the only point I was trying to make......
Of course not we are both agreed that 14,7% of members of the Royal Economic Society want out. No arguments there.
 
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