If that's the strategic thinking.... It would be interesting. A minor dispute between say Greece and Turkey (or is that a bad example?) could see the whole of the EU attacking Turkey. I would prefer to remain independent I thinkSurely an EU army would replace the member states' armies, not be in addition to them, or am I missing something here. NATO would be US, Europe and the rest.
If the EU wants a European army, the EU will get a European army. I expect people in the 1970s were saying there would never be anything other than a common market.
Does the EU want an EU army? I thought it was really only Juncker spouting off about something that would make his position more important. He isn't "the EU" and doesn't seem to have a great deal of support on the matter. The EU army will not happen. Just as lot of things that EU bureaucrats would like to happen will not happen. The expansion of the EU means that it will be very difficult for any radical change to be agreed other than as a response to a crisis.
There was quite a lot of debate in the 70s and 80s about expanding the role of the Common Market. It wasn't such a dirty subject then. Ironically Margaret Thatcher was initially all in favour of the Single Market, thinking it would make other countries more like GB.
I agree in regard to people I speak to, in every aspect of my life there is a massive majority supporting leave, I would say much, much more than 75%, the betting really is an anomaly, especially when you look at the odds checker. It shows Remain being still odds on (though it is shortening) but the majority of bets are for to leave. This does not make sense unless there are literally millions going on the few remain bets... Gideon - where are the millions you pus aside for this weeks EU payments?Just playing catch-up after a day on the piss at Ascot yesterday - only on page 923. With betting in mind I just checked the odds - Remain still 2 -1 on so massive favourites. I still am not finding anything other than a majority for Leave when I speak to people - but bookies are never wrong people say. Can anyone explain why they have Remain so far ahead?
Just playing catch-up after a day on the piss at Ascot yesterday - only on page 923. With betting in mind I just checked the odds - Remain still 2 -1 on so massive favourites. I still am not finding anything other than a majority for Leave when I speak to people - but bookies are never wrong people say. Can anyone explain why they have Remain so far ahead?
I suppose it depends on whether you think the EU endgame is federalisation. In that case, there is no way on earth the member states could maintain responsibility for their own armies. You can't be half pregnant.
And I take your historical point, but by the 1970s I was meaning when we originally entered. I am pretty sure assurances were given then that there was to be no other integration, in the same way people are saying now there won't be federalisation.
This is a total mystery to me and others too. Every poll so far, well the vast majority, say out, folk you talk to are out, yet it's still 1/2 remain.Just playing catch-up after a day on the piss at Ascot yesterday - only on page 923. With betting in mind I just checked the odds - Remain still 2 -1 on so massive favourites. I still am not finding anything other than a majority for Leave when I speak to people - but bookies are never wrong people say. Can anyone explain why they have Remain so far ahead?
I suppose it depends on whether you think the EU endgame is federalisation. In that case, there is no way on earth the member states could maintain responsibility for their own armies. You can't be half pregnant.
And I take your historical point, but by the 1970s I was meaning when we originally entered. I am pretty sure assurances were given then that there was to be no other integration, in the same way people are saying now there won't be federalisation.
All this bollocks that we hear about being at the centre of the EU and leading - we are like some unwelcome relative at a party that is only put up with because they pay the bills.
I think exactly the same when I'm stuck in traffic jams every day somewhere in Kent, in fact ANYWHERE in Kent and I can see an endless line of cars in front of me while I waste my life watching the vehicle in front of me for ever and I think....who is it that wants to import more people into this country and ruin the quality of my life even more than it is already by encouraging yet more and more cars and less and less car parking spaces and I think .....what a mess.
This is a total mystery to me and others too. Every poll so far, well the vast majority, say out, folk you talk to are out, yet it's still 1/2 remain.
Mind you, I remember the FA cup between City and Wigan, we were, at one point 1/18 to win, and whilst anything can happen in football, (and it fucking did ),
with things like this there is generally a surety attached to betting prediction, and I just can't understand it.
Absolutely pointless answer that was.That reply just sums up what I'm saying....comparing events this week to traffic in Kent.....wow!...rest my case!
I think exactly the same when I'm stuck in traffic jams every day somewhere in Kent, in fact ANYWHERE in Kent and I can see an endless line of cars in front of me while I waste my life watching the vehicle in front of me for ever and I think....who is it that wants to import more people into this country and ruin the quality of my life even more than it is already by encouraging yet more and more cars and less and less car parking spaces and I think .....what a mess.
Absolutely pointless answer that was.
There's this myth that bookies somehow have access to information that the rest of us don't and this drives the odds. Quite simply, odds are driven by the relative weight of money on each outcome. If someone bet £200 on Remain and someone else bets £100 on Leave, the bookie calculates that if Remain wins and he pays out more than £300 then he's lost money. So the odds reflect that.This is a total mystery to me and others too. Every poll so far, well the vast majority, say out, folk you talk to are out, yet it's still 1/2 remain.
Mind you, I remember the FA cup between City and Wigan, we were, at one point 1/18 to win, and whilst anything can happen in football, (and it fucking did ),
with things like this there is generally a surety attached to betting prediction, and I just can't understand it.
Maybe it's because you are not talking to the youth that have all said they would vote remain so that they can move around Europe feely to get the jobs that don't exist over there. Ironic really. And of course you won't have spoken to the ExPats in Spain that all want to us to remain so that they don't get asked to leave Spain and return here. And of course you won't have asked any Scots who will vote remain in order to avoid another referendum on independence. And there is always the fiddling of postal votes to consider. So yes all in all the bookies have probably got it about right.