Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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moenchengladbach blau said:
I certainly do not recognise the subject of the extraordinary character assassination in this article. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/england-vs-iceland-reaction-too-rich-too-famous-too-much-ego-joe-hart-epitomises-everything-that-is-a7106591.html bit I do reconise Herbert for what he is.

If I was Hart I would seek out that little weakling Herbert in the tunnel or elsewhere and sort him out.
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Funnily enough, this was my exact same sentiment. It shows Herbert up as a spoilt hate-filled brat who believes that the media have some divine right to access.

Edit: Herbert's topped it up, buy selectively quoting Hart afterwards (so as not to use the "I didn't perform' bit) and even invents that he was so poor that he might have been subbed. Sheer delusion. I note Oliver Kay in the Times puts at least some of the responsibility on the non-tackling, non-marking defence.

It may be that Hart overdoes it, but I'm fairly certain that he has professional people who would advise him if it's a bad thing.
 
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Joe Hart has his weaknesses and you can be sure he and the club know what they are.

I am also certain that Joe works incredibly hard to eradicate those weaknesses.

I personally think he is a very good goalkeeper, nothing more, nothing less, but at this time. how many truly great/world class keepers are their out there?
 
Rolee said:
How has he displayed arrogance? Can you provide examples?
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I can.
Roberto pointed out his weakness to his left hand side and suggested he come in to look at video evidence and work out a training plan. Joe freaked out told him to do one and then caused all the friction and dressing room discontent which led to Roberto's departure by going round his team mates and complaining that this "ex striker" didn't know what he's talking about et etc.
That's what I call supreme arrogance
 
plongo said:
I can.
Roberto pointed out his weakness to his left hand side and suggested he come in to look at video evidence and work out a training plan. Joe freaked out told him to do one and then caused all the friction and dressing room discontent which led to Roberto's departure by going round his team mates and complaining that this "ex striker" didn't know what he's talking about et etc.
That's what I call supreme arrogance
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Any evidence to back this up mate? Genuinely interested.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Funnily enough, this was my exact same sentiment. It shows Herbert up as a spoilt hate-filled brat who believes that the media have some divine right to access.

It amy be that Hart overdoes it, but I'm fairly certain that he has professional people who would advise him if it's a bad thing.
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Yes. Herbert has form for anti City rants. Strangely he thinks that
MillionMilesAway said:
Funnily enough, this was my exact same sentiment. It shows Herbert up as a spoilt hate-filled brat who believes that the media have some divine right to access.

Edit: Herbert's topped it up, buy selectively quoting Hart afterwards (so as not to use the "I didn't perform' bit) and even invents that he was so poor that he might have been subbed. Sheer delusion. I note Oliver Kay in the Times puts at least some of the responsibility on the non-tackling, non-marking defence.

It may be that Hart overdoes it, but I'm fairly certain that he has professional people who would advise him if it's a bad thing.
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The true arrogance is when the little worm Herbert next interviews Hart and will expect him to be ever so 'umble when inside he is seething.

Hart made a couple of mistakes. Rooney literally made dozens in his passing, shooting, control, marking and decision making not to mention the introverted lack of leadership that makes it necessary for Hart to encourage his teammates so visibly in the tunnel.

The comments to the article are very mixed but Herbert seems to appeal to a lot to the non-going tribalists from other countries, a strange thing for an English paper but a sign of the times.
 
I found this bit of the Herbert's piece amusing

"There were other offenders at the back of the England side. Sigthorsson, of French club side Nantes, had time to receive the pass, look up, pause, and strike the tame shot with both Gary Cahill and Chris Smalling helpless to do anything about it."

He claims there other offenders and then goes on to say they were helpless. Make up your mind you ballbag.
 
Unbelievable.
Keepers, like all players, make mistakes. Unfortunately, their mistakes are often punished by conceding.

I can't believe some of the comments here.
"Arrogant", "gobbing off"? It's called getting fired up!

Frig me. Slagging our current longest serving player off for shouting "come on boys" before a game?
 
Rolee said:
I found this bit of the Herbert's piece amusing

"There were other offenders at the back of the England side. Sigthorsson, of French club side Nantes, had time to receive the pass, look up, pause, and strike the tame shot with both Gary Cahill and Chris Smalling helpless to do anything about it."

He claims there other offenders and then goes on to say they were helpless. Make up your mind you ballbag.
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Just that bit?
It's a bit of a gift that keeps on giving is his ranting.
 
Citing a professional footballer as 'arrogant' seems to be the go to line for fans and the media when they want to slag a player off. It's a cheap, lazy shot, which really can't be proved or disproved and is based largely on the fact that they earn such vast sums of money these days. All professional sportsmen and women have supreme confidence in their own ability, it's one if the things that separates them from the 'nearly men'. Without that confidence and trust in their ability they could not perform at the level they do. Joe Hart isn't the best keeper in the world, but I'll bet you that's his aim. He makes mistakes as every keeper does, but he has the minerals to admit it which makes me sceptical about the claim that he didn't react well to criticism from Mancini. Whatever you think of Hart, he's saved us more points than he's cost us and, if he's not totally committed to City, he does a bloody good job of pretending to be.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Just that bit?
It's a bit of a gift that keeps on giving is his ranting.
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True, I just find people contradicting themselves within a couple of lines particularly funny.

I've met Joe twice, well once really ( the first time he was in my presence but I didn't engage with him ) and he came across as a decent down to earth bloke. In a water park in Portugal I gave him stick about getting his hair wet and he had the good grace to laugh and came back with some witty response, didn't strike me as arrogant in the slightest.
 
What I dislike about our 'fans' is how quick they are to jump on a players back and shout for him to leave.

Do you think Spurs fans are on their forums now asking for Kane and Ali to be sold? Are they bollocks.

Did rag fans want Beckham sold after he ruined our chances at France 98? No, they backed him big time instead.

Joe Hart has always given 100% to the Manchester City cause and always will do. For what it's worth, he's also one of our best players and has just had a very good season for us. The team has far bigger issues than looking to replace the goalkeeper, with attack, midfield and defense all requiring more work. I always find it funny how our fans beg for loyalty from players and get upset at any discontent (Yaya) but are so quick to turn on a player who has done well for us when they show a dip in form.

The bottom line is that I couldn't care less if Joe didn't do well for England as long as he does well for Manchester City, which apart from a short spell during the 13/14 season, he mostly has done. He'll come back strong from this, just like he did then.
 
He's had a few blips in the Euros. It happens though.

De Gea didn't exactly cover himself in glory either.

I'm disappointed that Hart didn't stop Iceland's second goal - IMO England was and still is one of the top 4 or 5 sides in the Euros and definitely should have advanced especially against Iceland.
 
Well I don't want him to leave,but everyone can see he needs to stop this hype in the tunnel,swearing and that in front of the kids/mascots,there is no need,just go out and do what you are good at (apart from saving to his left),big season for Joe,any flaws in his game could see him out under Pep I would imagine,and with what has happened these last few weeks,he is going to be scrutinised even more now
 
YaYa's Left Peg said:
Spot on mate.

Yes Joe should have saved it, but what were the defence doing standing around like statues allowing Iceland to play tippy tappy on the edge of the box and get a shot away? Where were the midfield tracking the runners? What role did Joe play in the complete incompetence of the midfield and attack to not force the Icelandic keeper into one decent save throughout the whole of the 90 minutes?

De Gea is a good keeper, and if it wasn't for him, Spain could have lost by more yesterday. But he completely cocked up on the free kick that led to Italy's first goal, failing to push the ball to the side, and would have been sent off if Chiellini hadn't followed up. He dropped a clanger in the game against Croatia. Does that make him a bad keeper? Well, I haven't heard many rags asking that he be got rid of.

What is happening with some City fans? Hart, Sterling, Silva all slated on this forum. God, I hope KDB doesn't have a stinker in the next game or they'll be on his back as well.
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Excellent post, he's a great keeper, passionate and he cares - which is more than you can say for some of the other players.
 
I feel strongly about this.
Joe is not the best keeper in the world, no-one including him has ever claimed. But he's good enough to have won 2 Premier League titles. He is also not finished developing, his best years are ahead of him, and with learning, and good coaching he can improve. He's always either winning the golden gloves or close to it, often despite the defence in front of him!
He's passionate, which some people have laughably said is a negative, and cares. Does he get overhyped sometimes, I don't know, but if he does, its probably to compensate for the complete lack of interest that some of his team mates show (both England and City).
He should have strong competition but he is one of the last people I would want to see leave.
Oh and I didn't even mention HG quota!
 
bellsouth said:
IHe's passionate, which some people have laughably said is a negative, and cares.
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Passion counts for a lot. Joe obviously cares - if more on our squad felt the same way we probably would have won the EPL last year going away.

It's curious how much of sport is about mental state. For example, the home side having a huge advantage due to the emotional boost from the crowd.

And passion is a huge part of that mental state.
 
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