Paul Pogba

[Robinho's Subbuteo]

So will the fee be reported as £100m plus 5 years @ £290k a week = £175,400,000?

Of course it won't.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

http://www.football-italia.net/88500/no-medicals-pogba


Thought its done?

 

[manctheknife]

Let's say the kid signs and then breaks his leg next week...not hoping, just assuming. That's 100mill down the crapper, and full payment of wages in the post. I wonder what the insurance premiums are?

 

[eversince 76]

Look, the bottom line of this deal is, they are prostituting every thing they claim to stand for and gambling everything they have on this one move.

If they pull this deal off(which shouldnt be very hard considering ther stupid money they are offering) and fail to achieve top four next season, they'll take an obscene hit, the likes of which we probably havent seen since Leeds collapsed.

Even if they do get top 4, the money they are outlaying on him means the revenue pays for that deal. So a top 4 finish would only see them able to maintain and not build.

It's frankly hilarious. There's good reason no decent team would touch this deal at the prices mooted.

Even if he turns out to be Ronaldo 2.0 for them, he won't ever reach that marketing value for them no matter how much they try position him to. It's a crazy, crazy deal.

First of all, if they get Pogba he will improve their team. No doubt about that. Doesn't mean the win the title or finish top 4, but Pogba will improve them.
Secondly, I find it hard to see the difference with them splashing out 100mill. on one player with a huge salary, while we will spent the same amount and a double salary on Sane and Stones.
Thirdly, if Pogba turns out to be Ronaldo 2.0 and plays for them for the next 5-6 years, Pogba will be a bargain. He will certainly be a selling shirt kind of player, probably beating any of our players.

If United doesn't get in to the CL next season (or Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool for that matter) it will hurt them as hell. If we don't it'll hurt us in the same way. Leicester, Spurs and West Ham to name three outsiders for the title, won't put "guaranteed CL" in their books for next year.

 

[mosssideblue]

Couldnt agree more! buying pogs and Ibra is all about the marketing and PR and selling more shirts to their 659 million fans.

DeGay has been their best player for the last 2 seasons, so it shows where their weaknesses are, and buying pogs and ibra doesnt solve those issues. They will have games where they will win big but they will still be gettable at the back in my opinion.

spot on regarding their defence. Not sure they are that strong upfront. Ibra has done it in the past but hes not a spring chicken. Will be interesting to see how moanio sets them up against the big hitters

 

[Marvin]

I understand all the points you make marvin and agree with some on the one hand.

However you say our strategy (which I would agree with) is to buy 4-5 significant players. Well I would argue that our transfers to date mean we have signed 1 significant player (Guddongan). The rest are POTENTIALLY significant but are unproven (Zinchenko,Sane, Jesus and Moreno....Stones to a lesser extent) while Nolito is not one for the future at all but for me isn't as you would say significant. I can agree he is an improvement on Navas as an attacking option (but that aint hard)

Therefore I would say we are taking a big chance

Utd on the other hand will get Pogba who as has been said will significantly strengthen them for the foreseeable future,
Ibra (cant stand him and his arrogance fits right in with that lot) - I don't think he is anywhere near as good as he is made out to be....BUT they could get one good season out of him (ala RVP) which would then set them up for future seasons.
Bailey - an unknown for me but they would argue like some on here are that he has potential
Mitrakyian - never really seen him enough but the little I've seen he is an upgrade on the likes of Ashley Young and Memphis (so like Nolito in that way for us)

I think we are taking a chance on these youngsters being what we think they might while Utd (in Pogba) are buying (even if he doesn't get better than what he is now) a top class player.

I can see the potential in the young player but football is littered with lots and lots of these types of players who never hit the heights of how good potentially they could be.

I see our dealings at present as ones for the future (nothing wrong with that) but there are first team squad issues which do need to be addressed and Im not sure some of these youngsters are ready to do that. The biggest issue for me is the central midfield holding area (not the creativity area as we have silva, KdB Nasri plus others) but the enigma that is Yaya, the lack of quality in a typical british footballer that is Delph and Fernando who still has a lot to prove are all worries...the only real 2 are Fernandihnio (absolute class and underrated) and Gudongan (Injured and will he be the same....knees are very dodgy things???)

I really do think we are very light in that central dept as there is a real drop off n class/ability once you remove fernandihnio and Gudongan (and Yaya if we build around him)

Pep has a real job on his hands to balance the team out as this is where both Mancini (at first) and MP (continuously) got it wrong. The big question always hangs around Yaya's role. We are lucky that we have Pep int hat we have the bet manager in the world to sort it out but he has a big job on his hands getting that midfield area sorted with what he has at present as without Ferna and Gudongan we are going to have the same issues as last year. I know these could be helped out by us having better possession, a higher press with the forward players working harder but we could still get overpowered in the central area...the likes of pogba could potentially do that to us.

I think we need a top class powerful central midfielder but maybe with Peps change of system we won't need it. A lot revolved around a couple of Key issues for me ...one being Yaya and the other around Gundogan and his fitness/reovery

Apart from Nolito and Gundogan, the the other targets are all young, exciting potential star players. I agree. It is something that's notable. A change of emphasis from previous windows.

Are we light in central midfield? Fernando, Fernandinho, Delph, Gundogan. Depends on whether you rate Fernando and Delph. I think they will love the pressing game, but I don't know if they have the quality on the ball. I think we'll be OK there.

I wonder what will happen with KDB and Silva. Are we going to rotate or will Guardiola be able to play the two toegther and get the maximum out of them. And will Sterling prosper. How will the new players be integrated into the new team, but we don't know for sure who those players are going to be yet.

 

[simon23]

Apart from Nolito and Gundogan, the the other targets are all young, exciting potential star players. I agree. It is something that's notable. A change of emphasis from previous windows.

Are we light in central midfield? Fernando, Fernandinho, Delph, Gundogan. Depends on whether you rate Fernando and Delph. I think they will love the pressing game, but I don't know if they have the quality on the ball. I think we'll be OK there.

I wonder what will happen with KDB and Silva. Are we going to rotate or will Guardiola be able to play the two toegther and get the maximum out of them. And will Sterling prosper. How will the new players be integrated into the new team, but we don't know for sure who those players are going to be yet.

Fully agree on your points...I guess where we might disagree is that I don't think certainly Delph has the quality to his game...he can run all day but on the ball he lacks it......Fernando in his position needs to be better than what he has shown (there were signs of improvement last year but Im still unsure) - so for me that are two huge question marks over the quality here

Therefore the only 3 with real quality are Fernandihnio, Gudongan (if he gets over his injury) and Yaya (again huge question marks around what his role should be/will be - I don't question his quality on the ball, but off it there are certainly negatives) - so for me we need another option as there are too many questions over certainly Yaya and delphi and fernando imho lack real quality.

As you also point out there is the balance issue - KDB and Silva -- I trust Pep on this one and Im not too bothered about it anyway as its a good problem to have

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ha. Bloody tiny phone and fat fingers.

:-)

Can you lend me a tenner? ;-)

 

[domalino]

Let's say the kid signs and then breaks his leg next week...not hoping, just assuming. That's 100mill down the crapper, and full payment of wages in the post. I wonder what the insurance premiums are?

Unless they amputate his leg, why would it all be down the crapper?

Even really bad leg breaks only put the player out for a season.

 

[manctheknife]

Unless they amputate his leg, why would it all be down the crapper?

Even really bad leg breaks only put the player out for a season.

Thoroughbreds never the same after...OK, I was theorising on a career - ender, let's say he gets shot then....

 

[union city blue]

You know some rags say we are more obsessed with them than our own club...this thread goes a short way to proving that point...gets more replies than players connected to City

Sad

A thread that you yourself have posted on 17 times since Monday.

A thread on which you have been desperately trying to pass yourself off as some sort of ITK all summer by your repeated claims that he would not be signing for the rags, and then - when it became obvious that he was - you started frantically rowing back on your previous attention-seeking ITK wannabe posts by claiming that you "felt it in your water" that he wouldn't be signing for the rags.

And know you're moaning that this thread is too long, when you must be personally responsible for about 50 pages of shite on your own.

You are an absolute fucking weapon aren't you?

 

[SPIDERBOY]

A thread that you yourself have posted on 17 times since Monday.

A thread on which you have been desperately trying to pass yourself off as some sort of ITK all summer by your repeated claims that he would not be signing for the rags, and then - when it became obvious that he was - you started frantically rowing back on your previous attention-seeking ITK wannabe posts by claiming that you "felt it in your water" that he wouldn't be signing for the rags.

And know you're moaning that this thread is too long, when you must be personally responsible for about 50 pages of shite on your own.

You are an absolute fucking weapon aren't you?

I'm sure he said it was just a gut feeling,or summat along them lines.

 

[kaz7]

I'm sure he said it was just a gut feeling,or summat along them lines.

Only recently,before that he was claiming he knew stuff about it

 

[Viridian]

A thread that you yourself have posted on 17 times since Monday.

A thread on which you have been desperately trying to pass yourself off as some sort of ITK all summer by your repeated claims that he would not be signing for the rags, and then - when it became obvious that he was - you started frantically rowing back on your previous attention-seeking ITK wannabe posts by claiming that you "felt it in your water" that he wouldn't be signing for the rags.

And know you're moaning that this thread is too long, when you must be personally responsible for about 50 pages of shite on your own.

You are an absolute fucking weapon aren't you?

 

[mcfclovin88]

A thread that you yourself have posted on 17 times since Monday.

A thread on which you have been desperately trying to pass yourself off as some sort of ITK all summer by your repeated claims that he would not be signing for the rags, and then - when it became obvious that he was - you started frantically rowing back on your previous attention-seeking ITK wannabe posts by claiming that you "felt it in your water" that he wouldn't be signing for the rags.

And know you're moaning that this thread is too long, when you must be personally responsible for about 50 pages of shite on your own.

You are an absolute fucking weapon aren't you?

Spot on UCB!

 

[schfc6]

A thread that you yourself have posted on 17 times since Monday.

A thread on which you have been desperately trying to pass yourself off as some sort of ITK all summer by your repeated claims that he would not be signing for the rags, and then - when it became obvious that he was - you started frantically rowing back on your previous attention-seeking ITK wannabe posts by claiming that you "felt it in your water" that he wouldn't be signing for the rags.

And know you're moaning that this thread is too long, when you must be personally responsible for about 50 pages of shite on your own.

You are an absolute fucking weapon aren't you?

As I'm aware he called it, but based on nothing more than gut feeling. I personally think Pogba's silence may still scupper the move. Not heard anything from either club either.

If he did feel it was never going to happen, he wasn't alone.

I guess he keeps contributing to the thread because people keep name checking him.

If indeed as @karen7 says, and he did claim to have some type of ITK. He may well have.

I bet £50 on Nasri leaving City 3 years ago. I was told by my best mate who has a removal company that Nasri was all booked up for a move to London.
Something changed, as my mate got his deposit in full and Nasri never got back to him.

Not sure the abuse is worthy here.

 

[Barcon]

People buying Pogba or Ibrahimovic shirts would have bought a Rooney, Martial or Rashford otherwise.

Shirt sales paying for a transfer is a myth.

Correct. They won't gain many more fans just because they sign Pogba.
His marketing value would only be of any consequence if he joined Barca or Real.

 

[Bigga]

Why I am of the opinion he shouldn't/won't sign for the rags is a combination of things...but the one that gets me is Taggart's comments on him...would you really go play for a team where their previous Manager who is still connected to the club...slagged him off to fuck?

It really does boggle my mind he would even consider it

If he goes...that's the very definition of mercenary...It will be unequivocally about nothing but the money and a step down for him...a talent like him needs to be on the world stage...to sacrifice CL football is a poor career move...In fact a move to Nited at all is a poor career move

Yes, it's rather bizarre if Pogba does make the move, finally. I think the wage demands acceptance must come as part of the apology...

Unless Taggart, himself, has apologised privately!

Otherwise, why would he bother...?!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Yes, it's rather bizarre if Pogba does make the move, finally. I think the wage demands acceptance must come as part of the apology...

Unless Taggart, himself, has apologised privately!

Otherwise, why would he bother...?!

I'm sure he'll be crying all the way to the bank.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

First of all, if they get Pogba he will improve their team. No doubt about that. Doesn't mean the win the title or finish top 4, but Pogba will improve them.
Secondly, I find it hard to see the difference with them splashing out 100mill. on one player with a huge salary, while we will spent the same amount and a double salary on Sane and Stones.
Thirdly, if Pogba turns out to be Ronaldo 2.0 and plays for them for the next 5-6 years, Pogba will be a bargain. He will certainly be a selling shirt kind of player, probably beating any of our players.

If United doesn't get in to the CL next season (or Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool for that matter) it will hurt them as hell. If we don't it'll hurt us in the same way. Leicester, Spurs and West Ham to name three outsiders for the title, won't put "guaranteed CL" in their books for next year.

Will he though?

I agree, it puts a better player in their team, but does it improve their team? That remains to be seen.

Factor in he has pretty much identical stats to Mata btw.

Comparing him to Sane & Stones is good. Why, because we are buying 2 players to improve our team. Buying for positions we need to buy in. We'll have re-sale value on TWO players. If one hits the heights people think they will, we're okay. We've effectively split our risk where United have gone all in on one player.

Even if Pogba hits the goals and assists, he'll never be Ronaldo 2.0. He just isnt that marketable. He'll never be in that bracket due to his style of play. Same reason Yaya never was, or Vieira or Lampard or Iniesta or Roy Keane for that matter. He just doesnt have that certain type of speed and skill that is marketable like that. (Thats not to claim he'll never be as effective so dont confuse the two when I say that).

Every team is at risk every year when it comes to champs league, as we ourselves found out this year thanks to our muppet of a manager. But United will have 3 300K a week players on their books. No other team has one to my knowledge. So our risk is slightly more measured.