Marc-Andre ter Stegen
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Other than the following perfectly legitimate reasons why it makes total sense:
1. Money.
2. He wants to be the number 1 keeper of a top club.
3. Pep wants him to be the number 1 keeper of his top club.
4. Money.
My point exactly, cheers.
simon23
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Why? I wonder why you wouldn't be surprised....for me that is quite a telling comment.
Ter stegen isnt as good a keeper as Hart in other areas so we swop a keeper with one weakness for a keeper who is good/better with his feet but not as good at stopping the ball going in the net........Too many on here listening/reading the bullshit media re hart (due to what happened at the world cup - scapegoated for what in reality was a shit team with vastly overrated players who never ever stood a chance at winning anything but the media/experts/pundits cant or don't want to say that so they look for a scapegoat - in reality Hart is probably only one of a few in the whole England squad that can be considered world class)
Im all for replacing Caballero but replacing Hart should be very low down on our list of priorities of where we can get better.....liek i said previously, have some defenders who are more comfortable with the ball at their feet and this will help Hart out as well...instead of the likes of Kolorov/Mangala and Mdm (just so slow it was dangerous to pass to him) who clearly would put doubt in any keepers mind to pass to them.
mosssideblue
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If he comes, I,m sure it wont be on a promise of the best seat on the bench
Like he and Bravo were probably told at Barca.
Not a hope we're in for another 'keeper.
I hope we are.
mosssideblue
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Blue tints off, Joe is a very good keeper, but calling him WCIn the same post you claim he has weaknesses just proves how subjective that term is.
Delphacito
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It's not about the media. It's just plain obvious from watching Hart from all these years that he just doesn't have the composure of having the ball on his feet.
If you think replacing the GK with someone that can pass is very low down on our list of priorities, I'm afraid we just have to agree to disagree. Without a capable GK, our attack/possession wouldn't be able to reach our attackers as we wouldn't be able to break down the press. The preseason games are enough evidence. Our possession will go to waste if everytime the ball gets passed to the GK and all he could do it boot it up to the midfield area.
Good luck with that then.
mosssideblue
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Why do you think that?
Cheers.
simon23
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no Im saying replacing the keeper as opposed to replacing other players should be way down on our list of priorities. Pre season doesn't prove that as the team was nothing like the one that will play.....the midfield in particular will have silva, kdb and yaya in it at points whose movement/provision of options will be better along with Sagna, kompany (when fit) who again will provide better passing options than those that played in the friendlies........everyone was raving about the young lad who played centre half but on nu serous occasions i just saw him hoof it up the pitch to no-one when under a slight bit of pressure.......
The press comes from the front players to start with and the more advance midfielders....the whole team will be further up the pitch but the press starts with them.......our weakness will be balls in behind our defence where there will be a lot of room as it will be pushed up quite high (up the pitch)......ability on one on ones could also be crucial and Hart is superb at that.....
He deserves time to work and sort it out. I can not understand why people would be so eager to get rid of a superb keeper when there are clearly other players within our squad that ned replacing first (bony, Kolorov, Mangala, Navas, fernando are all included in that)
He doesn't command his six yard box that well, often punches under no pressure and has shown a weakness for getting down low to his left. That's before you get to the distribution.
On the plus side he's one of the best I've seen at one on ones and is capable of some truly remarkable goalkeeping. Some of his performances in the CL have been breathtaking.
There's no reason he can't improve any of the things I've mentioned but if he doesn't I don't think he'll last 12 months.
Machiavelli
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Machiavelli
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I think he's far better when his goal is under siege and has to make repeated reflex saves. A bit like the pro procurer at the rags.
It doesn't matter if he's not quite as good a shot stopper, his ability with the ball at his feet will allow us to play in a way which will save many more goals than we lose because he's not as good a shot stopper.
Keeper like ter Stegen means it's easier to keep possession. Possession is the best way to keep clean sheets
Keeper like ter Stegen = higher defensive line, which means more compressed pitch, which means if we do lose the ball, our outfield players are closer together, they can press more effectively, and because they are covering shorter distances they can press with more intensity for longer.
More numbers higher up the pitch also means we can stop counterattacks more easily, and a goalkeeper who's confident enough to run 30 yards out of his box to sweep up a hopeful long ball over the top allows us to get possession back in their half quicker which means the other team can't get out.
In attack, having an extra player actually capable of being in the passing triangles under pressure means we have a man advantage and that translates into one of our attackers being free and that leads to goals.
In short, ter Stegen would have to be absolutely miles worse than Hart at the traditional goalkeeping stuff for swapping the two to be make the team worse, because the way we would be able to play with ter Stegen in goal would save us loads of goals, and let us cut out opportunities before he even got involved.
And honestly the gap is not so great. In fact a lot of the errors ter Stegen makes could be attributed to his playing situation - he only plays every fortnight in the cup comps, which is no way to be as a keeper, anyone would make more mistakes in that situation.
If there is an argument for keeping Hart number 1 then it should not be made about his ability as a keeper, it should be to do with his position as a leader in the team and at the club, the fact he's a proper City player who loves the club and has been here a decade, which is the kind of player we need around and the fact he's English and pep is supposed to want an English core.
But even optimistic Hart fans must be hoping he can improve his ability on the ball over 6-12 months of training with Pep - anyone who thinks he's gonna be able to don't straight away is delusional ("he just needs more options!") or hasn't watched him for the last 6 years in our goal.
Meanwhile if we don't bring in another keeper, pep will have to put his plans on hold. Because we can't play the way Pep wants until we have a keeper who can sweep and is as comfortable with the ball as an outfield player.
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