Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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bondsman said:
No mate it isn't my argument. My argument is he's a fucking good goalkeeper who has proven himself in big games especially in Europe and has a record number of golden gloves. I like the fact that parallel to him being very good at his job he is English, I'd like us to have some English players and he has gone on a journey with the club and us fans. Look pal I get you don't like Hart. As I've already said if there was a clear improvement available i would be all for getting that player probably to compete with Joe. But there isn't as far as I can see. So why get rid of one of our best players? I don't expect an answer and like yourself I'll probably maintain my support for joe regardless of any one else's opinion.
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I think Joe is a great goalkeeper. Does he have what Pep is looking for to play a controlled, pressing game? No, not right now. Will he be able to raise his game to change Peps mind, quite possibly, if given the chance. Do I think he will...sadly I don't. An incredible servant to the club, has a huge ego like most top players but he isn't top of his profession. I hope he gets there, but he ain't the Bayern lad, who is the benchmark right now.
 
TonyM said:
I wonder if City could have done a bit more to prep Hart for this challenge. If they knew last season Pep was coming why not start training Hart on Pep style goalkeeping. An extra hour after training for a year and it could have given him a fighting chance.
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I like Joe, I think he's a great keeper. Certainly better than Willy, but it's obvious that he isn't fancied and his time here is up. He's not stupid and he's had plenty of wake up calls in his time here. Mancini wanted rid, so did Pellegrini, but both times Hart upped his game and kept his place. This time it appears he either hasn't shown enough in pre season, or Pep made his mind up before he got here.
 
TonyM said:
I wonder if City could have done a bit more to prep Hart for this challenge. If they knew last season Pep was coming why not start training Hart on Pep style goalkeeping. An extra hour after training for a year and it could have given him a fighting chance.
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I don't think our goal keeping coach has improved him one bit, quite the opposite apart from one on ones.
 
Martin Blackburn of the sun reporting that Joe will remain no. 1, But only if he improves on his feet as pep wants, which he should be doing right away and working on. Martin is pretty reliable and I hope it works out

City sources indicate there are no plans to buy a new goalkeeper this month – meaning Hart will get a proper chance.
But Guardiola has left the door open to make more alterations to his squad during the last three weeks of the summer window.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...SunFootball-_-20160814-_-Football-_-544488077
 
TonyM said:
I wonder if City could have done a bit more to prep Hart for this challenge. If they knew last season Pep was coming why not start training Hart on Pep style goalkeeping. An extra hour after training for a year and it could have given him a fighting chance.
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Surely that cuts both ways? If the club knew then the players would have known he was coming, everybody knew we've been chasing him for 4 years at least. Hart would have known how Pep likes his goalies to play.
 
Both Mancini and Pelligrini wanted rid. Neither had the bollocks to do it because of his status here.

Pep is a different and a big manager for big players. Exactly what we've needed.

I've had rags and scouser on the wind up about it since yesterday but they're getting no change because it's the correct call.

I just hope we can convince Barcelona and Ter Stergan
 
I think no matter what everyone's personal feelings about Joe, we are going to have to accept this is the first big call Pep's made. Joe's done as first choice at City by the looks of things and having him around being 2nd choice will be bad for everyone. Best case scenario we can find a buyer in the next few weeks - and Pep can also land whoever he wants as his new number 1 - because I don't have a huge amount of faith in Willy to do the job long term.
 
bondsman said:
How many minutes has Hart had to adapt? Kolorov had 90 against Aresnal and 99% of this board bemoaned his performance, attitude and ability to play in Peps system. For me the issue is Hart has yet to be given a real chance to prove he can or even needs to adapt. And of course you know my thoughts on our manager. You still sleeping in your pellegrini pjs?
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Actually, your comments suggest you are not happy with the manager because Joe hasn't been given a chance, which is why I asked the question. If you think Pep have formed his opinion based on 45 mins against Arsenal, there is no hope for you.

As for your final comment - grow up
 
TonyM said:
I wonder if City could have done a bit more to prep Hart for this challenge. If they knew last season Pep was coming why not start training Hart on Pep style goalkeeping. An extra hour after training for a year and it could have given him a fighting chance.
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For all we know they well may have. Joe may even have asked for it
 
Undoubtedly Joe is a better traditional keeper than Willy, and I don't believe anyone on here has said to the contrary. Looking at the attributes that Pep now seeks, neither are exceptional but Willy was given the gig yesterday, that alone doesn't make sense to the layman.

I don't buy into Peps after match words yesterday regarding the keeper situation where he said today it was Willy, next time it might be Joe (or words to that effect).

Pep will have assessed Joe over a greater period than 45 mins against Arsenal (which is what a lot of posters are hanging their argument on for him not been given time), so it could be assumed that Joe can neither or is unwilling to adapt. Is there a relationship issue between the two? I don't believe there is as Pep is old and ugly enough to put such things to one side for the betterment of the team.

If Joe does stay, he must now realise that Pep will get his way and he will not blink at the thought of dropping him.

Pep coming is what we all wanted and now he is here, we need accept he is moving us in a new direction and there may be casualties. Of course we all surely feel sorry for Joe as he has taken us to this current level and (if true) he isn't to feature with us moving up the food chain, he will be gutted.
 
mosssideblue said:
Actually, your comments suggest you are not happy with the manager because Joe hasn't been given a chance, which is why I asked the question. If you think Pep have formed his opinion based on 45 mins against Arsenal, there is no hope for you.

As for your final comment - grow up
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Suggesting Joe hasn't yet had chance to prove he can adapt is not the same as being unhappy with the manager at all.
 
Joe should be given a bit of respect. Has done so much for us and for that arse to put a keeper, way below Joes level, in goal was a disgrace and done purely to humiliate Joe.
 
mosssideblue said:
Are they not related? If, in your mind Joe hasn't been given opportunity then surely that's down to the manager?
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Joe got back late from the Euros that means there has been less time for assessment really and it may well be the case Pep thinks he isn't ready or is suffering with a dip in confidence etc from the poor showing by England in the Euros. So no him not currently having much time to adapt/impress is not anyone's fault in many ways. I know you want to suggest I'm having a dig at Pep, your one of our super fans who know better than everyone else and are more loyal, you've proven it time and again on here so well done, all I am saying is many have written Joe off and I'm not sure Pep has.
 
Joe hart is a good goalkeeper but that is it. He is not a great keeper as some on here would have you think. He does not deal with crosses very well and his distribution is poor. But for me his biggest weakness is when he has to save down to his left he is too slow getting down. If we want to get to the level we aspire to we need a better keeper than joe hart.
 
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