Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Joe has been great for us but he's failed to improve on his issues and teams exploit it.

He's still vunerable to low shots to his left-hand side, his distibution is diabolical and he still has a tendency to push shots back into dangerous areas.

If he's willing to stay and improve then great, if not then thanks for the memories, it was emotional.
 
Karen7, Is this where I say "I told you so!"???

IIRC, it was you who was giving me shit for saying some of these things LAST SEASON...or am I mistaken and it was a different female member?

Regardless, I don't want him to be supplanted by Bravo. I'd much prefer to see Joe stay as #1 and bring on Gunn as his eventual successor over the next few seasons. I think Hart is one of the best shot stoppers IN THE WORLD, and there are very very few GKs who can be a better player than him in the Prem. Ter Stegen certainly has age on his side, but at 67M, that is pure stupidity.

If we have that kind of money to throw around in the last two weeks of the window, I'd much prefer it be spent on other areas.
 
If we're selling to Everton, charge them just as much as they would fucking charge us.

None of this cut price shit. Not with them.

If Bravo is ~20 million, Joe is easily that.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Bravo is going to get closed down in this league. He's going to need a serious bedding in period with set pieces as well. This is a really unnecessary transfer.
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Oh shit you were being serious.

How the fuck are you not employed by the club instead of Pep? Or at least with him to tell him he's wrong?
 
cityisOURS said:
I'm sure that Harts footballing ability can be replaced. But what about his personality? What about his leadership qualities? What about actually giving a fuck to clap the fans at the end?

I don't care if we're playing the best football and winning every possible trophy, if there aren't players who in some way or represent the fans on the pitch then it's just not the same for me anymore. With Kompany injured frequently and Zabaleta's slight decline in form I'm worried we're losing a lot of our identity.

Maybe the new signings can fill the void of these three players. I'm willing to wait and see but last season it wasn't our dreadful league performance that pissed me off the most. It was the way management and players had no respect for the fans. That better not be the case this season, regardless of how we perform.
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Assuming that Hart is a great influence in the dressing room (hmmm), you do realise that Bravo has captained his country for a good few years and is a born leader?

The players leaving, Hart, Yaya and Nasri do indeed have big personalities, they've been wagging the dog for a while and it's no surprise Pep appears to have sidelined them.

You may think we take our identity from those three but I don't. I simply thank them for their contribution and wish them well.
 
"Mate if you think Hart couldn't match Bravo's passing stats knocking it to the centre halves 5 yards away you need to give your head a wobble"

Joe's problem is we have 2 CBs. By the time he decides which one to pass to a long ball for a throw in is his only possibility.
 
oldhamblue said:
So have we gone from being excited about having the most innovative and succesful coaches in world football to "he doesn't know what he's doing regarding the goalkeeper" in a few weeks? His results show we should trust his judgement
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To be fair there's only one very vocal poster doing that.
 
FanchesterCity said:
The 'rapport' with fans is mostly a figment of our imaginations really.
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I dont think so atmosphere is hard to define but can be recognised and having a player capable of lifting the crowds which in turn lifts the players can be psychologically important in football.

Hart is a player who can help do that and has done in the past. Personally I will be sorry to see him go and think he has been a fine player for CIty down the years.
However we have now got a bloke with a reputation of being one of the finest coaches in the world and we have to back his judgement which doesn't make me less sorry to see hart go, we need a bit of passion out on the pitch to help lift the crowd which at times does flag a bit.
 
Pep has come out and said Hart is training very well and he's the ultimate professional so enough of this bad egg bullshit. Put simply Pep just doesn't think he's good enough to implement his system, which makes me sad but ultimately we have to support the manager.
Some people have very short memories. Joe has been our most consistent performer for the past 7 years.
Good luck Joe in the future and thanks for the wonderful memories.
Let's all get behind our new keeper and pray Pep is as good as we all think he is.
 
SWP's back said:
To be fair there's only one very vocal poster doing that.
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Sadly, there's more than a few at the ground with this view. On Saturday I heard more than one comment about how underwhelming it all was and there was no need to drop Hart. In fact, that proved Guardiola was somewhat overrated!
The problem with football, a bit like life in general I suppose, is that it polarises opinion far more than it should. If you like Hart, Cabellero is shit. If you liked Manuel, Mancini was toxic. The truth is that change is something many people struggle with. You only have to look at Kolorov to see that. So many fans seem to be so obsessed with how he has done in the past, they seem unwilling (or unable) to judge his performance on Saturday with any objectivity, whatsoever. For what it's worth, I couldn't wait to see the back of him but was pleasantly surprised by his performance. Now I know one swallow does not a summer make, but if he can improve Kolorovs game that much in one preseason, how can anyone not be hugely excited for this great clubs future prospects? Bring it on......
 
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Exeter Blue I am here said:
Ah, the old "the manager always knows best" shtick. Always an infallible argument........
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I'd say the manager certainly knows best on whether this is an unnecessary transfer and the need for a ball playing goal keeper being at the heart of the game plan yes, 100%.

The argument may not work for the Steve McLaren's of this world, but I can't imagine if can be faulted right here.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Sadly, there's more than a few at the ground with this view. On Saturday I heard more than one comment about how underwhelming it all was and there was no need to drop Hart. In fact, that proved Guardiola was somewhat overrated!
The problem with football, a bit like life in general I suppose, that it polarises opinion far more than it should. If you like Hart, Cabellero is shit. If you liked Manuel, Mancini was toxic. The truth is that change is something many people struggle with. You only have to look at Kolorov to see that. So many fans seem to be so obsessed with how he has done in the past, they seem unwilling (or unable) to judge his performance on Saturday with any objectivity, whatsoever. For what it's worth, I couldn't wait to see the back of him but was pleasantly surprised by his performance. Now I know one swallow does not a summer make, but if he can improve Kolorovs game that much in one preseason, how can anyone not be hugely excited for this great clubs future prospects? Bring it on......
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Great post and you are right.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Sadly, there's more than a few at the ground with this view. On Saturday I heard more than one comment about how underwhelming it all was and there was no need to drop Hart. In fact, that proved Guardiola was somewhat overrated!
The problem with football, a bit like life in general I suppose, that it polarises opinion far more than it should. If you like Hart, Cabellero is shit. If you liked Manuel, Mancini was toxic. The truth is that change is something many people struggle with. You only have to look at Kolorov to see that. So many fans seem to be so obsessed with how he has done in the past, they seem unwilling (or unable) to judge his performance on Saturday with any objectivity, whatsoever. For what it's worth, I couldn't wait to see the back of him but was pleasantly surprised by his performance. Now I know one swallow does not a summer make, but if he can improve Kolorovs game that much in one preseason, how can anyone not be hugely excited for this great clubs future prospects? Bring it on......
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Nice post & perspective.

I think you'll see that with Pep too. Some players will surely be transformed under Guardiola while others will never fit
 
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