Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Marvin]

Why wait till now to decide that?

It's only been a few weeks since he came back from training. I am not going to set my mind against him based on speculation about what he may or not have done. Perhaps I am doing the same thing, but I think it's better as a fan to believe in the player and his capability than just assume the worst.

 

[SWP's back]

Absolutely pathetic people saying Hart has been mistreated. Pep's here to take us to the next level, if he thinks it means a change of keeper so be it. This is elite sport and we're trying to be the best.

By the way clubs not exactly queuing up to take him, so maybe he's not as good as some would have us think... Very good keeper, prone to repeating the same mistakes with questionable distribution.

Pep & City have done nothing wrong here, its sad for Hart but it happens .....

Absolutely this.

 

[Marvin]

Given the facts I would say its nowhere it is 50/50 whether he stays or goes:
Pep has said he can go
We have bought a new keeper
He has been playing Caballero until the new keeper arrived and will today
There was a public send off for Hart on Wednesday
Hart himself spoke about it being a public send off and was grateful and spoke in terms of a fairwell

Sounds like 99/1 he would go, but set against that there aren't many options for him elesewhere, and is the option of staying at City so bad when he can work on the training pitch and at same time instruct his agent to work stuff out for january if it looks like its not working out.

 

[cibaman]

I know that is a possibility. I would prefer to believe in a player who must have worked incredibly hard to get where he is. Even if he was flippant at first, or didn't take the issue seriously, he will surely do so now?

It must be 50/50 whether he stays or goes, from the outside looking in, but unless I know something for sure, I prefer to believe in the player and the capacity of people to change and improve themselves. If someone said to me, look you've got a problem here, you need to do X, Y and Z to be better, and I respected them, I'd do it. It might be a PR side-issue, Joe might not believe it. he might believe it, and think OK well I can't do whatever is being asked of me, and never will be able to, but I can be a good keeper elsewhere. I cannot help but speculate and guess because he is a key player

I can't see how he can significantly change his game just in training. He would need games. And with pep also wanting to give caballero and gunn plenty of games, I don't see how joe will get the game time at City

 

[Marvin]

I can't see how he can significantly change his game just in training. He would need games. And with pep also wanting to give caballero and gunn plenty of games, I don't see how joe will get the game time at City

Much more opportunity to practise taking the ball and passing it on in training. Probably do that 3 or 4 times max under pressure in a game. it's a skill. Just needs practise. he may not be able to do it. Game time is irrelevant as to learning the drill of taking the ball with one foot and passing it on with the other.

If he doesn't have the skill, last thing Id want is for him to try something out in a real game, and for some forward to make an idiot out of him and put it in the back of the net. he'd be even more ridiculed than he is now.

The other thing that might be an issue is that if he goes to SAFC he is going to still be under massive pressure from media and opposition fans. When a player gets questioned, everyone lays into him. If I were him I'd sacrifice 3 months just to see if he can address the problem, and if he can't there's always January.

I think he'll stay. Once you've been questioned in a high profile way, then public doubt, even self doubt will be there. Better to address it rather than go elsewhere and brush it under the carpet. it will keep coming back

 

[SJT]

I can't believe how were treating Hart - it is unbelievable! we've known Pep was coming for ages now, and Pep knew Hart wasn't for him, ok, so why left so late.
Joe deserved more time to sort himself out - were all fans here, but this is embarrassing for the man.
If he's staying until Jan - get him in the nets, we all know he's better than Caballero, and this will have given Joe a good shake up.

 

[oakiecokie]

I can't believe how were treating Hart - it is unbelievable! we've known Pep was coming for ages now, and Pep knew Hart wasn't for him, ok, so why left so late.
Joe deserved more time to sort himself out - were all fans here, but this is embarrassing for the man.
If he's staying until Jan - get him in the nets, we all know he's better than Caballero, and this will have given Joe a good shake up.

We know it ... just maybe our Manager doesn`t want to know.In Pep I trust.

 

[Marvin]

I can't believe how were treating Hart - it is unbelievable! we've known Pep was coming for ages now, and Pep knew Hart wasn't for him, ok, so why left so late.
Joe deserved more time to sort himself out - were all fans here, but this is embarrassing for the man.
If he's staying until Jan - get him in the nets, we all know he's better than Caballero, and this will have given Joe a good shake up.

For all we know, he may have been trying for the barca keepers since Day 1, and only decided to move hart on when a deal was in place, or alternatively maybe Guardiola saw Hart booted it long, or threw it out. If guardiola was looking at that in games, he might have seen that but thought well he's a great keeper at everything else, can he do what I want him to do if I ask him to do it? And he will only have known in training. We can't condemn / pass judgement on 1% evidence, and are just left to guess

 

[mosssideblue]

It's only been a few weeks since he came back from training. I am not going to set my mind against him based on speculation about what he may or not have done. Perhaps I am doing the same thing, but I think it's better as a fan to believe in the player and his capability than just assume the worst.

I'm not assuming the worst Marv, I am simply looking at facts.

Joe has long known that Pep was arriving and knew full well that he would have to develop or improve on his current skills to play the Pep wants him to, hence my earlier response to you suggesting he starts to learn now.

He's had time and, if it pans out he could have developed those enhanced skills with extra effort, then he has simply thrown away a marvelous opportunity to be part of our most exciting times by not doing it sooner

 

[moenchengladbach blau]

Hi Blau. I'm getting the impression some people don't like you on here. Seriously considering not meeting you in Summerbees, not seen you for about 10 years and you'll probably get me in a fight!! ;) whoopee.
Looking forward to it mate, see you soon.

Ah, the family did not get the 'fighting' nickname for nothing;-)

Don't worry I will look after you and I won't show the pic of you to your mates.

I hope you still do not stand in the same way, with or without shorts, or we will have to communicate by shouting from a safe distance.

 

[Tez Tosterone]

Not sure if this was flagged up previously but I read this morning that there is a possibility of a player swap with Joe Hart.

Here is a link. http://www.football-italia.net/90520/torino-use-maksimovic-hart

I don't know the player being referred to. I can't ever remember seeing him play.

It’s also implied that Torino have an ace up their sleeve when it comes to Hart, specifically assistant manager Attilio Lombardo, who knows the England international well from his time on Roberto Mancini’s Manchester City staff.

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

Not if he feels he can sort out the weakness in his game and become a better keeper. Why not work on the training pitches day in day out with the best and give it until the Jan window at least. What will he learn at Sunderland? He wont be able to work with the City coaching staff. I'm sure he'd do a fantastic job at Sunderland and see them mid-table because he is that good, but would he improve? If he can improve at City, then he becomes a better keeper and he's at a club that can give him CL football and trophies. Willy didn't do so bad last season lifting the League Cup.

This might be the first time in his adult career that someone has had the bottle to come along to him and point out a weakness. It maybe that the weakness in his game is just something he will never be able to address. I don't know. I doubt very many do know.

He's still young for a keeper. Ideally better to take 3 months out of the limelight, work on his game intensively and then comeback a better player. if he was Bravo's age then there would be no choice. 3 months is neither here nor there in the long term, it depends on whether he thinks he has a chance of developing the skills Guardiola requires.

I admire your loyalty Marvin, but, if you think this is truely about Joe's lack of ability to pass the ball a couple of yards to the nearest colleague, with his feet, then, in my opinion, you're sadly mistaken.

This is all about power & influence in the dressing room, and giving a sharp reminder to some of our senior pro's that the type of sh*t 'who cares' attitude shown in the last 3rd of our league games, last year, (Post Totenham at the Etihad) will no longer be tolerated.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I can't believe how were treating Hart - it is unbelievable! we've known Pep was coming for ages now, and Pep knew Hart wasn't for him, ok, so why left so late.
Joe deserved more time to sort himself out - were all fans here, but this is embarrassing for the man.
If he's staying until Jan - get him in the nets, we all know he's better than Caballero, and this will have given Joe a good shake up.

Maybe he had doubts about Hart but was prepared to give him a chance & wanted to see him in action first? And then maybe Hart threw that chance back in his face? And maybe it's not just about playing issues? Ever thought about that?

And all this nonsense about being a "better" keeper. Both have weaknesses so it's like saying which illness is "better" but clearly Willy is the better one as it stands because he's the one more in tune with what his manager wants for our team.

 

[Sky Blue]

If he's staying until Jan - get him in the nets, we all know he's better than Caballero, and this will have given Joe a good shake up.

Did you miss the signing of Bravo ?

 

[ped]

Given the facts I would say its nowhere it is 50/50 whether he stays or goes:
Pep has said he can go
We have bought a new keeper
He has been playing Caballero until the new keeper arrived and will today
There was a public send off for Hart on Wednesday
Hart himself spoke about it being a public send off and was grateful and spoke in terms of a fairwell

your banging your head against a brick wall mate ,some people and thankfully only a few will not see the big picture

 

[Sid C]

Ah, the family did not get the 'fighting' nickname for nothing;-)

Don't worry I will look after you and I won't show the pic of you to your mates.

I hope you still do not stand in the same way, with or without shorts, or we will have to communicate by shouting from a safe distance.

No wonder you get in trouble. Please keep on topic. As Kiki said " don't go breaking my heart" by showing that fucking photo. Off to pub now see you soon.

 

[hilts]

It's a shame that at the start of a season when we have the worlds best manager, an influx of players and a new way of playing a thread about an okay keeper with a likely attitude deficiency is dominating the board. The sooner he goes so we can get on with enjoying and discussing our new era the better.

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

Not sure if this was flagged up previously but I read this morning that there is a possibility of a player swap with Joe Hart.

Here is a link. http://www.football-italia.net/90520/torino-use-maksimovic-hart

I don't know the player being referred to. I can't ever remember seeing him play.

It’s also implied that Torino have an ace up their sleeve when it comes to Hart, specifically assistant manager Attilio Lombardo, who knows the England international well from his time on Roberto Mancini’s Manchester City staff.

Can't see that 'greasing the wheels,' tbh. Mancini & Hart were never 'bestest buddies,' as far as I recall.

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

I admire your loyalty Marvin, but, if you think this is truely about Joe's lack of ability to pass the ball a couple of yards to the nearest colleague, with his feet, then, in my opinion, you're sadly mistaken.

This is all about power & influence in the dressing room, and giving a sharp reminder to some of our senior pro's that the type of sh*t 'who cares' attitude shown in the last 3rd of our league games, last year, (Post Totenham at the Etihad) will no longer be tolerated.

I think it is unfair to suggest that Joe has not acted professionally when Pep has said that he has. Why cannot it be accepted that Pep has a preference for a certain type of goalkeeper who he considers to be probably the most important member of the team. The writer of Pep Confidential was quoted as saying that it was not to do with being able to pass although that is obviously important. It is more to do with vision and being able to anticipate what is happening and be able to see and carry out the next move. He said that he requires a keeper who anticipates rather than reacts. He mentioned among others Courtois and Buffon as reactionary goalkeepers that Pep could not work with and that Joe unfortunately falls into this category. Goalkeepers he can work with are those who anticipate and look ahead and include Neuer, ter Stegen and Bravo. Most managers would be happy with the first category but sadly for Joe that is not Pep's choice.

 

[Phil1]

It's a shame that at the start of a season when we have the worlds best manager, an influx of players and a new way of playing a thread about an okay keeper with a likely attitude deficiency is dominating the board. The sooner he goes so we can get on with enjoying and discussing our new era the better.

You know, I was just about to post something similar.
The saddest part of the whole episode isn't how Hart is supposedly being treated but how it's causing an unnecessary divide in the fanbase.
The sooner it's done the better.