Liverpool - post match thread.

Please tell me how you control a game without having possession of the football ?

So should we sit back and defend tomorrow against Burnley, let them have the ball, so we can control the game?

They controlled who had the ball and where we had it. Our possession was, generally, nowhere near their net.

The Burnley comment, although stretching the point, isn't far off. See the Hull game, once they came out we looked more threatening. We did not yesterday

We have players that are good going forward, 'going' being the operative word, not passing sideways and backwards
 
It's buts and maybes, he was offside. Sergio was one on one but he was offside. Stupid to unpick what could or should have hapoened to prove a point. I repeat they had no shots on target and Bravo was largely unemployed for pretty much all of the match. If that's a disaster against allegedly one of the top sides then heaven help us...

We got beat and looked toothless , they had other good chances -to say we should have won and were unlucky is fucking laughable.
 
Please tell me how you control a game without having possession of the football ?

So should we sit back and defend tomorrow against Burnley, let them have the ball, so we can control the game?
By controlling what the other team can do with the ball. It has nothing to to with "sitting back and defending". Dortmund's defeats against Leverkusen and Leipzig were great examples. Those teams pressed Dortmund intensely high up the pitch and in midfield and Dortmund had lots of possession but zero penetration, and ended up passing the ball around in their defense and DM, they barely got out of their own half.
 
You're painting it like he's a bad guy 'running his contract down and denying us a fee' - We denied us nothing, he fulfilled his contract. What he does now is his business, good luck to him.

We got what we wanted from him, and he got what he wanted from us, then we parted company. No complaints from me.

Miller is a money grabbing twat and gets less grief than any other player who has done what he did.
Fuck milner and I hope he never wins fuck all again...Hope he gets the same reception from us when we play the dippers as they give Sterling.
 
Miller is a money grabbing twat and gets less grief than any other player who has done what he did.
Fuck milner and I hope he never wins fuck all again...Hope he gets the same reception from us when we play the dippers as they give Sterling.

Spot on.
 
I went to that match having no problem with him. I was on the second row that night and quite frankly I wanted to punch him on his ridiculous fucking jaw.
I was same clapped his name when announced didn't mind him celebrating it was the gesture to us after that annoyed me
 
There's some RAWK level of delusion on here if anyone truly believes we were the better team or dominated.

We lost without ever really threatening.
 
There's some RAWK level of delusion on here if anyone truly believes we were the better team or dominated.

We lost without ever really threatening.

We where shit, no doubt but goal aside, Liverpool did fuck all and had even less of the ball and even less time spent in our half.

Im not arguing we dominated or where better but lets not put us down and at the same time laud the Liverpool performance because it was equally crap.
 
They controlled who had the ball and where we had it. Our possession was, generally, nowhere near their net.

The Burnley comment, although stretching the point, isn't far off. See the Hull game, once they came out we looked more threatening. We did not yesterday

We have players that are good going forward, 'going' being the operative word, not passing sideways and backwards

But we still had far more possession than Hull in the second half and when they dared to attack us we punished them. That is precisely why teams sit back and defend because we are better not because the opposition are controlling the game.

Defending in numbers is purely a hopeful tactic employed by inferior teams against better players, sometimes it pays off, as per last night but most of the time you will lose.

To take that and suggest that sitting back and defending is controlling a game is complete and utter nonsense. I can't actually believe I'm debating the point.

Next time we go into a game, I must remember to shout at the team to sit back and defend to assert our control on the game.
 
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Miller is a money grabbing twat and gets less grief than any other player who has done what he did.
Fuck milner and I hope he never wins fuck all again...Hope he gets the same reception from us when we play the dippers as they give Sterling.

We enticed players to join us with inflated wages. We cannot complain when those players see out their contracts and leave.
They are professional footballers, not City fans. He fulfilled his contract and owed City nothing. Anybody who thinks he 'owed' us something needs to give their head a wobble.
 
It never ceases to amaze me the number of blue mooners who seemingly have far more football knowledge and tactical nous than Pep Guardiola one of the most decorated and proven football managers of recent history.

Strange as it might sound, I have a feeling that given the chance to actually manage our great team, they would be about as successful as Gary Neville was when actually having to put their money where their mouth is and who seemingly talked a very good game.

We're all great from our armchairs, with the benefit of hindsight. Some on here need to know their place and trust our manager to get the job done. Unbelievably, some of our fans are even trumpeting the merits of Tony f'kin Pulis. Jesus wept, just what is wrong with some of our fans.

Last night wasn't vintage City but to try and even suggest that Liverpool deserved that win, then words fail me. They played like I'd expect Sunderland to come to our place.
 
Well that was a pretty frustrating watch.
Kolarov mistake(s) and Zaba didn't stop the cross. We had lots of possession, looking for a moment of magic which never really came. Oh well I ain't given up yet. Happy 2017!
 
But we still had far more possession than Hull in the second half and when they dared to attack us we punished them. That is precisely why teams sit back and defend because we are better not because the opposition are controlling the game.

Defending in numbers is purely a hopeful tactic employed bybinferior teams against better players, sometimes it pays off, as per last night but most of the time you will lose.

To take that and suggest that sitting back and defending is controlling a game is complete and utter nonsense. I can't actually believe I'm debating the point.

Next time we go into a game, I must remember to shout at the team to sit back and defend to assert our control on the game.

If you can steer the game into a game that best suits your strengths, you are controlling it. If defending for your lives is your best strength, then so be it. If hoping for a counter to snatch a 'lucky' goal (terrible phrase), then so be it. We have to stop thinking that opposition teams need to bow down at our feel and surrender to us. They might not have the same skill, but they have fight and determination and play to their strengths (as any sensible team would).
Nobody cares if City win or lose, or 'should have won' - except City fans. Everybody else just cares about the points.
We deserve to be where we are (5th by the end of the day most likely) and looking over our shoulders. We are to blame, not other teams. We are the ones failing to deal with situations on the pitch, not them. They don't need to change, we do.
 
It never ceases to amaze me the number of blue mooners who seemingly have far more football knowledge and tactical nous than Pep Guardiola one of the most decorated and proven football managers of recent history.

Strange as it might sound, I have a feeling that given the chance to actually manage our great team, they would be about as successful as Gary Neville was when actually having to put their money where their mouth is and who seemingly talked a very good game.

We're all great from our armchairs, with the benefit of hindsight. Some on here need to know their place and trust our manager to get the job done. Unbelievably, some of our fans are even trumpeting the merits of Tony f'kin Pulis. Jesus wept, just what is wrong with some of our fans.

Last night wasn't vintage City but to try and even suggest that Liverpool deserved that win, then words fail me. They played like I'd expect Sunderland to come to our place.
To concede after 8 minutes and not muster a single clear cut chance means we didn't deserve anything. They didn't need to create anything further because they got the lead.
 
We enticed players to join us with inflated wages. We cannot complain when those players see out their contracts and leave.
They are professional footballers, not City fans. He fulfilled his contract and owed City nothing. Anybody who thinks he 'owed' us something needs to give their head a wobble.
He owes us respect were you at anfield last season?
 
But we still had far more possession than Hull in the second half and when they dared to attack us we punished them. That is precisely why teams sit back and defend because we are better not because the opposition are controlling the game.

Defending in numbers is purely a hopeful tactic employed by inferior teams against better players, sometimes it pays off, as per last night but most of the time you will lose.

To take that and suggest that sitting back and defending is controlling a game is complete and utter nonsense. I can't actually believe I'm debating the point.

Next time we go into a game, I must remember to shout at the team to sit back and defend to assert our control on the game.

They scored after 7 minutes and are significantly better than Hull.

Do you genuinely think we controlled the game? Because if you did, then we will have to agree to disagree

Re the 'sitting back' - we are better at the counter attack than we are in possession based games when looking for a goal. They key is where to start the counter from. V Arsenal we won it thier half, got the lead then controlled the game with possession

Look at Chelsea, they are geared up for the counter attack but teams are still scared of them and don't go toe-to-toe with them either. They have a balance
 
It never ceases to amaze me the number of blue mooners who seemingly have far more football knowledge and tactical nous than Pep Guardiola one of the most decorated and proven football managers of recent history.

Strange as it might sound, I have a feeling that given the chance to actually manage our great team, they would be about as successful as Gary Neville was when actually having to put their money where their mouth is and who seemingly talked a very good game.

We're all great from our armchairs, with the benefit of hindsight. Some on here need to know their place and trust our manager to get the job done. Unbelievably, some of our fans are even trumpeting the merits of Tony f'kin Pulis. Jesus wept, just what is wrong with some of our fans.

Last night wasn't vintage City but to try and even suggest that Liverpool deserved that win, then words fail me. They played like I'd expect Sunderland to come to our place.
Liverpool didnt deserve to win but we were totally inept. We arent scoring and our defence gives everybody a goal start. Looking for major improvement tomorrow. We were always most dangerous playing 442. Not as we do now. But we can hope. We have to be better tomorrow surely.
 
I think the real problem is Pelegrini. Folks spent so much time convincing themselves he was the problem last year, that now they are confused when the team they thought was being killed by the worst manager ever, is now acting similarly under the best manager ever.

But funny enough, I think the player bashers have luckily stumbled on the truth. We don't have the best players in the league. Thus, we are not going to dominate...

When Pellars had the best players, he won the league, when Pep does too, he'll win the league. Until then, we are just a close to the top table team struggling for consistency.

If that is the truth, I don't think everyone who has drawn that conclusion stumbled on it by luck. I've thought for some considerable time that the players have been a bigger problem than the manager(s). I'm still not certain though where to rank them as a collective against the rest of the league: I think that in terms of technical ability our best 17 is probably still at least on par with the best but physically and, most importantly, mentally they come up short too often and that is why they struggle for consistency. What I am sure of is that we had an opportunity to take a squad that was definitely the best and widen the gap to the rest and ended up doing just the reverse. However, rather than seek to incriminate whoever over that, I just want the club to learn from its experiences and get the squad into the shape Pep needs.
 

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