Referees/Officials

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BurnCK said:
Indeed, fully appreciate where you're coming from, except that I don't see a disparity between decisions for them and decisions against them, certainly not these days. Do they get that many more decisions in their favour? Whereas in your example there probably is a huge difference in numbers.
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How many times have manure suffered from the following this season:
- Two footed challenges against their player where the assailant gets a yellow instead of red
- red card for their player when it's barely even a foul
- opponents goal allowed to stand despite being yards offside
- their star player being banned retrospectively just ahead of a key match, after the ref (who was looking straight at it) claims to have "not seen" the incident.
- Obvious red card for obstruction not awarded against their closest competitor
- Opponent blatantly uses elbow or kicks out, not sent off

I can count at least a dozen such critical incidents in their favour or against us.

How many can you count the other way round?
 
manchester blue said:
This is most naive thing I've ever read. They have to be reasonably subtle about it or they would soon get called out.

How would you do it? I would look to stop breakaways after a foul by not playing advantage when we were attacking but not for the other team. I would deny penalties safe in the knowledge that they would not be debated on TV but not for the other team. I would not flag for offside even when there is clear daylight between players but not for the other team. I would book players for two footed reckless tackles, safe in the knowledge that it cannot be looked at due to a law the FA refuse to changes, but send off players from the other team.

I would offer penalties when the game is already won and start referring fairly once my influence ons the game had ended due to the scoreline. That's how I would do it. That's how Mason, Taylor, Clattenburg etc operate. And it's bent, there is an agenda and the whole thing stinks of Scudamore needing a strong United for his product.
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You misunderstood me - and expressed much better the exact point I was trying to make, ie you cannot argue there isn't an issue just because the odd decision goes against them.
Of course they can't give every single thing in their favour, and stating that must be the case for bias to be proved is just naive.
 
bluetev said:
You misunderstood me - and expressed much better the exact point I was trying to make, ie you cannot argue there isn't an issue just because the odd decision goes against them.
Of course they can't give every single thing in their favour, and stating that must be the case for bias to be proved is just naive.
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Oh I get you, sorry for the misunderstanding. Let's see what Mr Oliver comes up with on Friday.
 
bluetev said:
How many times have manure suffered from the following this season:
- Two footed challenges against their player where the assailant gets a yellow instead of red
- red card for their player when it's barely even a foul
- opponents goal allowed to stand despite being yards offside
- their star player being banned retrospectively just ahead of a key match, after the ref (who was looking straight at it) claims to have "not seen" the incident.
- Obvious red card for obstruction not awarded against their closest competitor
- Opponent blatantly uses elbow or kicks out, not sent off

I can count at least a dozen such critical incidents in their favour or against us.

How many can you count the other way round?
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To be fair they've had a fair few against them, we choose to ignore them the same way they've ignored everything that's gone for them and complained about bad refs against them. As fans we see what we want to see
 
Referee's will penalise a city player more easily than a player of another top team because they KNOW there will not be a media witch-hunt against them - whether the decision is right or wrong.
That Chelsea game would never have been reffed in that way if it was the Trafford lot playing. No fecking way.
We are hoisted up to be beaten and made an example of because no one is going to loop the video footage on our behalf.
That's the way it is, it's not going to change until popular public opinion sides with city. And that, my friends, is approximately 10 years of winning regular trophies away.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
To be fair they've had a fair few against them, we choose to ignore them the same way they've ignored everything that's gone for them and complained about bad refs against them. As fans we see what we want to see
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So tell me what you see, count out the number of times they gave actually suffered from such absurdly biased, wrong decisions going against them. I have given you actual, undeniable examples where the refs got it ridiculously "wrong" in their favour.
 
bluetev said:
So tell me what you see, count out the number of times they gave actually suffered from such absurdly biased, wrong decisions going against them. I have given you actual, undeniable examples where the refs got it ridiculously "wrong" in their favour.
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Zlatans goal last week, laughable to be disallowed however I did laugh.

Herrera got a second yellow one game for slipping didn't he? That was a poor decision which reduced them to 10 and a key player missed the following game.

Whilst the palace game they had a few things in their favour they also scored a legitamate goal at 1-1 which was ruled out wrongly for offside and had a handball in the build up which could of been a pen.

Zlatan stooded in the knee against West Ham I think it was? Could be wrong but easily could of been a red.

There are others that are a bit more subjective so I wouldn't class then as nailed on one but certainly would do above.

They've had a lot go for them recently which has coincided with their best run of wins for a while, has it been down to Joses bitching about refs, certainly changed the last few weeks. On the whole they've got away with a bit but had some odd ones against them. I certainly wouldn't say they get let off and we get punished I think overall the refs are shockingly bad throughout.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
was that an agree 'indeed' or a sarcastic 'indeed' I really thought he was good tonight. Let the game flow and was fair to each side.
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Woah Cowboy. Seriously I was agreeing with you. I thought he was good tonight. It was actually refreshing to watch a game where the same standard of refereeing was applied to both sides.
 
colorado blue said:
Think referees should be randomly appointed to games and not picked based perceived ability and difficulty of game. Each team should get within reason an equal distribution of each ref so we can all share the crap refs. Unless a ref is a supporter of a club he should ref the game regardless of where he's from or lives. Then refs should get yellow or red cards based on performance (reviewed by retired refs) and like players they should get bans for incompetence accumulated over period of time.
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Guess there would be a massive shortage of refs for games if they got red/yellow cards for performance - so many would be suspended at any one time.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
Zlatans goal last week, laughable to be disallowed however I did laugh.

Herrera got a second yellow one game for slipping didn't he? That was a poor decision which reduced them to 10 and a key player missed the following game.

Whilst the palace game they had a few things in their favour they also scored a legitamate goal at 1-1 which was ruled out wrongly for offside and had a handball in the build up which could of been a pen.

Zlatan stooded in the knee against West Ham I think it was? Could be wrong but easily could of been a red.

There are others that are a bit more subjective so I wouldn't class then as nailed on one but certainly would do above.

They've had a lot go for them recently which has coincided with their best run of wins for a while, has it been down to Joses bitching about refs, certainly changed the last few weeks. On the whole they've got away with a bit but had some odd ones against them. I certainly wouldn't say they get let off and we get punished I think overall the refs are shockingly bad throughout.
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That's the list I would have as well.
Three, maybe four moderately negative and debatable decisions which is normal for any team.
As against about three games in which they should have been reduced to ten and their key striker should have been missing all of December because of suspensions.

My point is you obviously won't have every single decision go against them but just weigh the pluses and minuses this season, and during most of fergie's period, and it's blatant.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Woah Cowboy. Seriously I was agreeing with you. I thought he was good tonight. It was actually refreshing to watch a game where the same standard of refereeing was applied to both sides.
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Sorry mate. You can never tell. It was just so different to our games this season. I actually enjoyed it because I never felt he had an agenda or bias. Sad but true. Thought Spuds deserved it and feel they have a really strong first 11-13. Would never swap De Bruyne for Ericsson but would take Deli Ali, their full backs, centre backs and defensive midfield any day of the week. Looking forward to our next home game to see how we measure up.
 
bluetev said:
That's the list I would have as well.
Three, maybe four moderately negative and debatable decisions which is normal for any team.
As against about three games in which they should have been reduced to ten and their key striker should have been missing all of December because of suspensions.

My point is you obviously won't have every single decision go against them but just weigh the pluses and minuses this season, and during most of fergie's period, and it's blatant.
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I think it's the level of some of the things they've had for them which would be my issue, the offside goals. How you can miss Rojo first time around but for him to do it again and get away with it is shocking. zlatans elbows and stamps which is never highlighted and I get where you're coming from. Big easy decisions that not only get missed but completely ignored afterwards too. Somethings rotten in our game
 
They'll have decisions go against them, all teams do, it's the majority of major/game influencing decisions that go in their favour that is disproportionate.

Ibrahimovic is pretty much a red card waiting to happen every game, he's worse than Costa but gets sod all action against him.Going back further how many times did Ronaldo kick out at opponents but never receive a red and it never be scrutinised in the media?

Herrera being booked for a slip is strange but at least it is consistent ineptitude, as wasn't Fernandinho booked at the Swamp for slipping into a rag?
 
In the early nineties my dad loved watching the Italian football, in fact he got Sky tv so,that he could watch the games as well as the ones on Channel 4.
It was far better than the Premier League, with world stars playing fantastic football in fron of packed houses in new stadiums.

Unbeknownst to most of us at the time the games were rigged, the referees were corrupt. Slowly the fans began to realise more and more as, like us, they saw it with their own eyes (at least those that wanted to).

The crowds dwindled, the corruption was admitted and the league plummeted in quality. Now you have average teams playing in front of sparse crowds. Once honest people realise they are cheated out of their hard earned cash that they spend following their club they won't go back.

The FA, Murdoch's media empire, Sky TV in particular and the crooked stench of PGMOL have been like a cancer growing within the game that has now taken such a strong hold that they feel they can do as they please with impunity.

Fans with eyes can see it all. They don't want to admit it because it's an admission that the game has ended as we know it. To the deluded who say "well if you think it's bent stop going", surely the correct response should be that the good/honest people should stand up to and point out the corruption in an effort to have the thieves removed and the game handed back.

If we don't then take a look at our future, Italy is over there.
 
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