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CTID1988 said:
When you see in the news that the Chinese have hacked the US or the Russians have, chances are its somebody in the US making it look like they are from that part of the world. A proper hacker would cover their tracks. The media knows nothing about it and over simplifies it all, i would take everything you read about it with a pinch of salt
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Oh my.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I'm sorry, there's no other word for this -- that copy and paste about the wall is fucking retarded.

Post sounds like it was written by a United fan -- "we can spend all we want and attract all the best players cuz we're United" without bothering to realize that the other side is going to counteract their strategy.

Can you imagine the outcry from American business when tens of thousands of manufacturing companies with operations in Mexico have local levies raised to pay the $8-10 billion for the wall? Or Americans who own billions of dollars in Mexican property suddenly pay a foreign-ownership tax (see Vancouver, CA right now)? Or transaction fees get levied on bank transfers in the billions and billions of legitimate dollars that get transferred between American and Mexican banks weekly? And what happens when Mexico simply pours $8-10 billion into 1/10th the construction planned due to cost overruns (does that writer know ANYTHING about how construction contracts in Mexico work??) then pleads "no mas" with a hang dog look and empty pockets? How about just emptying Mexican prisons at the border's weakest point and giving the desperadoes a thick wad of American cash? Incidentally, that's exactly what Central Valley of California communities do with the homeless -- give them a few bucks, a one-way bus ticket to San Francisco, and tell them if they show up in their towns again they'll be incarcerated for vagrancy.

All those options are cheaper for Mexico and hurt America.

The wall was always a red herring. Anyone who hasn't figured that out yet has the IQ of dryer lint. Plenty of other issues to have a legitimate discussion about.
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It does seem rather incoherent. From reading it, it would appear that the plan is to blackmail the Mexican government to pay 5 - 10 billion dollars otherwise they will prevent illegal Mexicans from sending 24 billion dollars from the USA to Mexico. There seems to be a slight flaw in the plan in that he's pledged to deport all the illegal Mexicans. Not only would that stop the 24 billion being transferred to Mexico thus negating the blackmail, it would remove the largest source of low paid construction workers who would be the most likely to be used to build it. Great plan!
 
Well is anybody surprised that a total mental bastard, who is totally mental and a bastard, acts like a total mental bastard now that 50m other mental bastards, ensured that the Oval Office will be occupied by their hero mental bastard who will do totally mental bastard things like a mental bastard?

I'm not.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
No need in that.





They will pay for the wall, but it'll be America that constructs the wall.

It's concerning that what I pasted was written by the Trump administration and has been readily available online since September and yet you don't seem to know who the author is.

The suggestion that you know more about construction contracts in any country than Donald Trump is possibly the most absurd thing ever written on this website.





When the construction starts you will dissappear like a fart in the wind.
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I cover construction companies as an equity analyst -- housing and building products, mostly residential, including one of Trump's largest competitors in Manhattan in the residential tower business. Though not now, I used to cover the concrete and aggregate companies, of which Cemex is one.

You're certainly right that Trump knows more. But I'm guessing I know more than you.

And my point still stands. Mexico isn't paying for this, and if Trump attempts to enact this plan, Mexico will respond in a way that hurts America. Which is why it will be dropped, just like "Lock her up" has been. Pretty simple.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
You're certainly right that Trump knows more.
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Thank you for having the humility to acknowledge that.


FogBlueInSanFran said:
And my point still stands. Mexico isn't paying for this, and if Trump attempts to enact this plan, Mexico will respond in a way that hurts America. Which is why it will be dropped, just like "Lock her up" has been. Pretty simple.
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Time will tell.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Can you please quote whoever said that this is the overnight reaction to a tweet?

Companies have had many, many months since Donald won the Primaries to plan for a Trump administration.

The CEO himself has said it in black and white. Pro-business climate/the policies that Trump and the new Congress have indicated they will pursue were vital to the company’s decision. Who's saying anything about making this decision on a tweet?

First it was 'there are no jobs all the thicko racists who voted for him will soon find out' now he's actually doing what he said he would do and it's just an ego stroking contest apparently. 700 jobs, fantastic for the people of Michigan.
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Calm down fella you'll do yourself a mischief.

On various news outlets yesterday - SKY, BBC, CNN and Fox - that I saw all trailed one story into the other ie that over the previous night Trump tweeted against GM and is policy of building cars in Mexico and saying he was going to hit them with a 35% import duty. GM responded by advising that all the cars they made in Mexico went for export - mostly the Cruze model that wasn't even sold in the US ( don't think Donald had thought through the effectiveness of that levy ). Subsequent to that later that day Ford made that announcement. Now none of the news outlets said it was the tweet that caused Ford to change their mind - as I have said only a fool would think a $900m change on an investment strategy would be worked out and agreed and signed off in a morning following a tweet - but the implication of all news outlets was that the two approaches and statements by America's two biggest car makers were intrinsically linked to each other and that Trump tweet.
As I say anybody who claims that this is solely to do with events of the last couple of months doesn't get the extent to which such a review will dig deep into a company strategy and take several months to implement. This is part of an overall review of its future by Ford.

BTW - care to let me know where I called people who voted Trump are thicko racists - don't recall saying that at all.
 
117 M34 said:
This might be an obvious question so may have already been answered but what will happen if Mexico say to trump fuck off we aren't paying for it, if you want it you pay for it
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That would be my response.................there are no benefits to Mexico in the building of the wall and none in the paying for it. If all the illegal Mexicans are going to be deported by the US then really is little point in Mexico having any truck with the US and just let Donald get on with filling in the 1400 miles of the border that aren't already walled up. They will have to go some to do that in 4 years in time for the next election. Meanwhile the Mexicans can all take night classes in tunnelling and their government can negotiate a free trade deal with the now liberated UK to replace lost trade with the US.
 
The Trumpers are going to be disappointed if they think the multi-nationals are going to stop investing in Mexico.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-mexico-auto-jobs/
Cheaper labor is only one reason Mexico has seen a surge in new-car production. While the country’s low wages have been the big attraction, one of its key advantages is that it has trade agreements with 44 countries, giving automakers access to half the global car market tariff-free. The U.S. has similar trade deals with just 20 countries, which make up 9 percent of global car sales, according to the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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idahoblues said:
Fair enough, for what it's worth I admire your faith in this man and your composure dealing with some of the abuse you've dealt with.....however

Can you imagine building a wall from dipperville to hull? 130 miles
Coast to coast on the mexican border is almost 2000 miles
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I hope petrocelli isn't building it

Apologies to our younger posters
 
@BluePhil8 said:
4 Black Lives Matter members arrested in Chicago for torturing a white disabled man and screaming 'fuck Trump' and 'fuck white people'. They streamed it live on Facebook. They recorded themselves cutting the bound and gagged man and using his wounds as an ashtray.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/violent-assault-live-streamed-on-facebook-in-chicago-police-say/
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Sorry but cannot see in the article or the Police report reference to Black Lives Matter nor Fuck Trump and Fuck White People - where's that from?
 
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