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bluethrunthru said:
He is all over the place on this shit - he reads something and has a eureka moment and retweets it. Then someone tells him how it looks and he tweets something else then someone tells him what he should think and he tweets something else again - in another president elect it would be questioned but he does it so often and so quickly political journalists can't keep up. I note Hannity's comments retweet - His Fox News groupies lap this stuff up - quotes that change every 20 mins - constant refresh - nothing really cross examined - more shite and so on - fits in with their rolling "news" brief.
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It's said of Trump that he agrees with the last person in the room.
 
I find it hilarious how no one in this thread has seen any evidence that Russia hacked the election and the intelligence agencies have yet to show Donald Trump any evidence, yet you're all happy to speak like you are 100% sure on the matter.

Donald Trump: not seen any evidence, doesn't believe Russia influenced the election.

Bluemoaners: not seen any evidence, do believe Russia influenced the election.

Why is one fine and the other unacceptable?

Have we already forgotten about the WMD dossier fiasco in which the 'intelligence communities' source was some taxi driver who made it all up? Only 265,000 people died as a result of that and yet you are happy to swallow whatever CNN spoon feeds you. Shameful.

I haven't made a commitment either way, all I've asked for is evidence to be provided to me. Which according to the overwhelming majority of computer experts doesn't exist. So we will wait and see what evidence there is, but unless they have a video recording of Putin laughing in a room and authorising the 'hack' I think you'll all be disappointed.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
In a shocking turn of events, apparently Mexico isn't going to be asked by Trump to pay for the wall -- the taxpayers will, meaning me. Imagine that.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/polit...republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/index.html
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CNN.

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Would be fantastic news regardless, $10 billion is a small investment for a lifetime of border security. The estimated spending for the US government alone in 2017 is $7 trillion.
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...a-donald-trump-cia-fbi-briefing-a7512396.html

The Democratic National Committee reportedly “did not allow” the Federal Bureau of Investigation to examine its hacked computer servers before the intelligence agency issued a report blaming Russia as the culprit.

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated”

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” reported an FBI statement.

“This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.”
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How peculiar.
 
It's naive in the extreme to imagine the Russians, the Chinese and others, wouldn't try to bring some influence to bear on elections in the West. They've been doing it for years, as have the west to them and many other nation states. Not sure how it's any different to an Australian megalomaniac and his media empire continually running sensationalist and bogus stories to influence any and all major elections in the UK, or any different to Fox and CNN both spouting falsehoods in order to try and influence the US election.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It's naive in the extreme to imagine the Russians, the Chinese and others, wouldn't try to bring some influence to bear on elections in the West. They've been doing it for years, as have the west to them and many other nation states. Not sure how it's any different to an Australian megalomaniac and his media empire continually running sensationalist and bogus stories to influence any and all major elections in the UK, or any different to Fox and CNN both spouting falsehoods in order to try and influence the US election.
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It's different because this time the left didn't get their own way. Now they apparently want a war with Russia over it, despite seeing no evidence. I'm sure we'll see them all on the front lines if they get their way (they won't).
 
@BluePhil8 said:
It's different because this time the left didn't get their own way. Now they apparently want a war with Russia over it, despite seeing no evidence. I'm sure we'll see them all on the front lines if they get their way (they won't).
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The democrats aren't the left. It's a misnomer to say they are. They are to the right of me for a start.
 
anyone done the, Trump lol, like a fart joke yet?

nice guy, the next smoke screen legacy.

this dude is the epitome of dumbing down, that thing we've heard about going on for pure time.

'numbskulls with big guns' Daily Mail
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It's naive in the extreme to imagine the Russians, the Chinese and others, wouldn't try to bring some influence to bear on elections in the West. They've been doing it for years, as have the west to them and many other nation states. Not sure how it's any different to an Australian megalomaniac and his media empire continually running sensationalist and bogus stories to influence any and all major elections in the UK, or any different to Fox and CNN both spouting falsehoods in order to try and influence the US election.
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I get that and do not disagree. But the important part of this is that Trump is stubbornly and dangerously undermining the intelligence and the intelligence services because he worries it undermines the legitimacy of his election win. Nobody is saying that, but he is defensive and blind to it all because it hurts his ego. Some things are bigger than ego. One day those same intelligence agencies will need to bring him some time critical developments about something urgent, and he is unnecessarily making relations with them difficult.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I get that and do not disagree. But the important part of this is that Trump is stubbornly and dangerously undermining the intelligence and the intelligence services because he worries it undermines the legitimacy of his election win. Nobody is saying that, but he is defensive and blind to it all because it hurts his ego. Some things are bigger than ego. One day those same intelligence agencies will need to bring him some time critical developments about something urgent, and he is unnecessarily making relations with them difficult.
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Absolutely right.

Trump's focus now is building a strawman saying there's no proof that the election result was affected, whereas nobody has actually said it was.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I get that and do not disagree. But the important part of this is that Trump is stubbornly and dangerously undermining the intelligence and the intelligence services because he worries it undermines the legitimacy of his election win. Nobody is saying that, but he is defensive and blind to it all because it hurts his ego. Some things are bigger than ego. One day those same intelligence agencies will need to bring him some time critical developments about something urgent, and he is unnecessarily making relations with them difficult.
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The intelligence talking heads that have been all over the new are mostly going to be gone in a couple weeks. They really have nothing to lose.

My stance on this is that until evidence is presented, we are just getting filtered words. I've seen first hand the watering down process of technical reporting as it flows up the chain of command to a point that it no longer says what the intent of the tech writing it meant. It is a pretty common issue.

The reality is that there were two hacks. First was Podesta's e-mail which was a Gmail account. By all accounts, it could have been hacked by just about anybody because he is a moron. There is nobody talking about his account being hacked by the Russians. However most of the biggest revelations of the campaign came from his account.

The DNC system was hacked by somebody. Maybe the Russians, maybe the Chinese, or the ghost of Richard Nixon. We really don't know. There weren't a ton of major revaluations that were released from this hack. Sure there were some items about how the deck was stacked against Bernie Sanders and for Hillary that led to DWS stepping down as the DNC Chairman. But really, that was about it. But keep in mind, that the DNC servers are not government devices. This would be no different than somebody hacking the NRA in that the intent could be to do harm on a national level and turn the discussions in a particular way.

I do find it laughable that many on both sides of the aisle are screaming that internet security has to be fixed. It isn't that simple. And even if it were that simple, that won't cover the GOP, DNC, Clinton Foundation, etc. Another thing I find ironic is that there have been a ton of big hacks against Homeland Security, the FBI, NASA, Justice, the IRS, and perhaps others. It was on good information that some of these were done by China and Russia. But none of that caused the shit storm that the hack against a non-government entity has caused. Not a single public reaction against those countries. But based on the current talking points that Russia did this, Obama gets tough and expels some diplomats and puts tanks and stuff closer to Russian soil. Really? This is the line in the sand?
 
Trump knows it was Russia who did it and he knows full well it was designed to influence the election. That is why has been so defensive about it. He even actually told them, during one of the live debates, to do it. From the horses mouth, on live Tv
 
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