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Thaksinssoldier said:
Like it or not, he has the job. People need to respect that and give it 12 months to see what he's actually implementing.

Flapping already is just petulance.

The thing is, for him to do what he claims he will do, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. A lot.

If he closes the borders and implements the trade restrictions, inflation will hit crazy levels before it improves. I'm no fan of the man but I'm intelligent enough to see that his plan is so crazy it just might work. Capitalists are going to get very, very rich on the back of it, but what people need to realize is these will be capitalists that will have no choice but to build their businesses within the US border as opposed to the "made in china" brigade of the last 20-30 years.

So I'd advise everyone to think before you go off on one, because short term there'll be a fuck ton of reasons to go off on one, but what keeps me calm is the fact that the man is such an egotist that he'll genuinely want to be the man who fixes it all.
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I hear what you are saying but I have a problem with it and that problem is trump and how he would take silence as support.

His inauguration speech was a denigration of every ex pres sitting there. His ego obliterated everything he could have said that aimed to reassure a world that he wasn't a maniac. He reaffirmed he is.

He needs to be challenged every minute of every day when he comes out with his hate filled neo fascist bullshit.

Americans in particular need to decide wether they give him the benefit of the doubt, or take him on through demonstrating in their millions. He doesn't deserve any wiggle room.

I think they will because they have to for all our sakes. He is for the working man, yet appoints self interested dodgy billionaires to run the country, yet Trumps fans still think a man who opposed raising the min wage is on their side?

They very well may not be thick as fuck, but by their saviour Jesus, they can't half pull off looking like it.

He will do and say stuff everyday and as under this tosser, every day could be our last, there is no grace period or should be with this wanker.

Sex offending wanker.

Let's not try and airbrush that bit out as fake news.

1 year from now I'm hoping he's been impeached at least 11 months.

And broke caused by paying off all he's sexually assaulted.

Jail time would be lovely too.

I have a dream.
 
Magicpole said:
I hear what you are saying but I have a problem with it and that problem is trump and how he would take silence as support.

His inauguration speech was a denigration of every ex pres sitting there. His ego obliterated everything he could have said that aimed to reassure a world that he wasn't a maniac. He reaffirmed he is.

He needs to be challenged every minute of every day when he comes out with his hate filled neo fascist bullshit.

Americans in particular need to decide wether they give him the benefit of the doubt, or take him on through demonstrating in their millions. He doesn't deserve any wiggle room.

I think they will because they have to for all our sakes. He is for the working man, yet appoints self interested dodgy billionaires to run the country, yet Trumps fans still think a man who opposed raising the min wage is on their side?

They very well may not be thick as fuck, but by their saviour Jesus, they can't half pull off looking like it.

He will do and say stuff everyday and as under this tosser, every day could be our last, there is no grace period or should be with this wanker.

Sex offending wanker.

Let's not try and airbrush that bit out as fake news.

1 year from now I'm hoping he's been impeached at least 11 months.

And broke caused by paying off all he's sexually assaulted.

Jail time would be lovely too.

I have a dream.
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I think you are focusing far too much on the scab than the disease. As I said, he's in.

America right now will be a fascist country within 4-8 years. A lot of people think that.

What a lot of them don't think is that it will just as likely be a leftist movement rising to fascist power as it will be one from the "alt-right". Both sides are beyond fucked. On one side you've neo-nazi's and on the other you have sjw's who want everyone to do nothing unless it's explicitly in line with their group think on any given day on twitter.

It's a horrifying thought, but for me the single thing that prevents the collapse of the US in the next 8 years is Donald fucking Trump. If he actually pulls it off and creates jobs and prosperity for all people, races and classes then the left lose all sway in an election. If he does, the right will have no choice but to find a similar candidate-i.e. a self made person as opposed to a funded politician. If Trump fails, expect states to walk from the union, starting with California.

We live in a crazy, crazy world where I reckon we'll see The Rock contest the next US Presidency with Mark Zuckerberg. Madness.
 
Saying is one thing trump is good at. Him having an understanding of how he will do it is the problem.

The only way I see the US breaking up is literally if he takes us all to some war.

Otherwise the union will survive in my view.

He's on the news now arguing about the size of the crowd. How you think he could save any day ever baffles me.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I think you are focusing far too much on the scab than the disease. As I said, he's in.

America right now will be a fascist country within 4-8 years. A lot of people think that.

What a lot of them don't think is that it will just as likely be a leftist movement rising to fascist power as it will be one from the "alt-right". Both sides are beyond fucked. On one side you've neo-nazi's and on the other you have sjw's who want everyone to do nothing unless it's explicitly in line with their group think on any given day on twitter.

It's a horrifying thought, but for me the single thing that prevents the collapse of the US in the next 8 years is Donald fucking Trump. If he actually pulls it off and creates jobs and prosperity for all people, races and classes then the left lose all sway in an election. If he does, the right will have no choice but to find a similar candidate-i.e. a self made person as opposed to a funded politician. If Trump fails, expect states to walk from the union, starting with California.

We live in a crazy, crazy world where I reckon we'll see The Rock contest the next US Presidency with Mark Zuckerberg. Madness.
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Agreed.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I think you are focusing far too much on the scab than the disease. As I said, he's in.

America right now will be a fascist country within 4-8 years. A lot of people think that.

What a lot of them don't think is that it will just as likely be a leftist movement rising to fascist power as it will be one from the "alt-right". Both sides are beyond fucked. On one side you've neo-nazi's and on the other you have sjw's who want everyone to do nothing unless it's explicitly in line with their group think on any given day on twitter.

It's a horrifying thought, but for me the single thing that prevents the collapse of the US in the next 8 years is Donald fucking Trump. If he actually pulls it off and creates jobs and prosperity for all people, races and classes then the left lose all sway in an election. If he does, the right will have no choice but to find a similar candidate-i.e. a self made person as opposed to a funded politician. If Trump fails, expect states to walk from the union, starting with California.

We live in a crazy, crazy world where I reckon we'll see The Rock contest the next US Presidency with Mark Zuckerberg. Madness.
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Kanye 2024
 
bluemoonmatt said:
Oh ok gop'er the subsequent comments on our own flawed system attest to the fact that theres a discussion to be had but you're argument is akin to us beating totteringham tonight 5-4 but they get the points cos they won more corners and free kicks in key areas??? I didn't like either candidate but there is evidently a flaw when he polled 2.5 MILLION+ fewer votes and if we are to say the US a model of democracy we need to obviously brush over the fact that this is not the first time it's happened in fact, is it not twice out of the last four elections. Funny that the loser on those two occasions was a dem?
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it might not be the best, but thats how it is. its done by states, if it was done by the popular vote then california and new york would pretty much overrule the rest of america, i dont know much about it, but I'm presuming thats one of the reasons why there is a electoral system ?. look at the map after the election swell, the majority of america actually turned republican.

he won the most votes, in the vast majority of states. if we had a similar system here that would mean london basically deciding who should be in power over the rest of the country,
 
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@BluePhil8 said:
I have to say I don't know the exact cross over of posters but it's amusing that in the main forum there's huge threads on media misinformation, biased and inaccurate reporting about City with calls for Pep to ban journalists who lie about the club.

Yet at the same time in this thread CNN and their ilk are moral bastions who have never told a lie and don't have any agenda at all (they do).
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The equivalence would be a spokesman angrily claiming a stadium was full when everyone with eyes can see it was over half empty. It doesn't effect the game so why even acknowledge and bring it up?

Just think that his first press conference since being made president, standing at the C.I.A offices in front of the stars representing dead service men and women....he chose to rant about inauguration numbers.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
it might not be the best, but thats how it is. its done by states, if it was done by the popular vote then california and new york would pretty much overrule the rest of america, i dont know much about it, but I'm presuming thats one of the reasons why there is a electoral system ?. look at the map after the election swell, the majority of america actually turned republican.
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In Trump's defense on this issue, he played it right. He's clearly stated several times that had the system being one focusing on a popular vote, his entire campaign approach would have been different, focusing on going to population hubs rather than ones with greater sway in the electoral column. Effectively, he out-Clintoned Clinton. Being a political shark was supposed to be her bread and butter but she completely fudged her campaign based on pure arrogance that she had certain places in the bag. Trump won black voters, he won democrats. He won people he had no business winning. How? Because he only had to point at how Hilary wasn't even concerned with getting their votes.
 
Comparing Clinton to Trump and saying they're as bad as each other, is like saying the common cold and advanced syphilis are the same.

They should have gone with Bernie but don't forget 4m more Americans voted for her. She won the vote. As unpopular as she was. 4m more chose her even after all the hacking and leaks.
 
Magicpole said:
Comparing Clinton to Trump and saying they're as bad as each other, is like saying the common cold and advanced syphilis are the same.

They should have gone with Bernie but don't forget 4m more Americans voted for her. She won the vote. As unpopular as she was. 4m more chose her even after all the hacking and leaks.
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Bernie would have gotten clattered by Trump. That's why they opted against him. I don't get the love for him either, he drives a 100K sports car just like the rest of them. This nice guy Bernie thing was an act.
 
Magicpole said:
Comparing Clinton to Trump and saying they're as bad as each other, is like saying the common cold and advanced syphilis are the same.

They should have gone with Bernie but don't forget 4m more Americans voted for her. She won the vote. As unpopular as she was. 4m more chose her even after all the hacking and leaks.
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I think they took the attitude they'd rather vote for the dodgy **** they know rather than the vain **** obsessed with banging his daughter. DMC fucked up big time, like new labour they were arrogant to think the people would swallow the same shit rather than pick Bernie who would have won both the EC an popular vote with the senate and Congress going same way.

Ah well,it's gonna be a fun 6 months ahead....
 
Magicpole said:
Comparing Clinton to Trump and saying they're as bad as each other, is like saying the common cold and advanced syphilis are the same.

They should have gone with Bernie but don't forget 4m more Americans voted for her. She won the vote. As unpopular as she was. 4m more chose her even after all the hacking and leaks.
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Clinton is more like aids.

She's a fucking cockroach of a human being.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
I have to say I don't know the exact cross over of posters but it's amusing that in the main forum there's huge threads on media misinformation, biased and inaccurate reporting about City with calls for Pep to ban journalists who lie about the club.

Yet at the same time in this thread CNN and their ilk are moral bastions who have never told a lie and don't have any agenda at all (they do).
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That's a very fair point. The media virtually all have an angle or agenda and while people who have the ability to think for themselves can see through that, I suspect they're very much in a minority But are you in danger of confusing a couple of things? If the media print crap about us, we know that it's designed to attract a high volume of hits from those fans of other clubs who love to read this negative shit about us. We may not like it but there's a commercial basis to it.

But let's say Pep came out and denied we'd dropped points yesterday, claimed it was a great win and that all the media were lying. Or if Bacary Sagna denied he'd ever tweeted about the Burnley game being 10 v 12. We'd think they'd gone mad.
 
I think one distinct advantage that Trump had was that he was not the career politician. He can point and say that all the ills of the way your lives are governed are down to what these jokers have done over the decades - much the same way that Jezzer will never get into any cabinet, including his own!!
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I think you are focusing far too much on the scab than the disease. As I said, he's in.

It's a horrifying thought, but for me the single thing that prevents the collapse of the US in the next 8 years is Donald fucking Trump. If he actually pulls it off and creates jobs and prosperity for all people, races and classes then the left lose all sway in an election.

We live in a crazy, crazy world where I reckon we'll see The Rock contest the next US Presidency with Mark Zuckerberg. Madness.
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Part of the myth again - creates jobs? Who will do those jobs? There are fewer than 4% unemployed in the States - why would BMW for example locate a factory in a country where there is a labour shortage? The industries that have gone, steel, mining, cars, have gone because of a lack of competitiveness. The US has let its citizens down in these areas where this work was done - the country isn't full of unemployed people.

With my political leanings I am loathed to type the following but it has to be said that Thatcher effectively got rid of those industries here. It was tough, we have our rust belts our devastated mining towns and demolished car factory but over 30 years we as a nation have come through that and there are jobs in those areas just not in those industries. In the Tyne/Wear valley which includes the metropolitan areas there are now MORE people in work than there were in the heyday of the mining and heavy industries. Its just different work they do - IT, Design, vehicle assembly, train building and so on. Had any UK politician over the last 30 years suggested that the way to "fix" things was to reopen all the closed mines, to start building ships and to revive Rover would have been laughed off the stage. This clown suggests it will happen and he is a saviour. A real politician a real president would pledge to invest in new industries and bring modern high tech high paid jobs to the country - not to put a tariff on Chinese steel and reopen American steel mills and produce steel at uneconomical rates.
 
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