Referees/Officials

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Chris in London said:
Most of us would agree I think that some mistakes are inevitable wherever human beings are required to make decisions. The question is, at what point do patterns become visible that suggests that the wrong decisions are being made as the product of something more than individual error. We all remember the ridiculous statistic of the rags not getting a penalty awarded against them at the swamp for god knows how long. Plainly something was going wrong there, whether it was just the influence of the GPC or something yet more sinister.

For my part, I regard it as inherently unlikely that we would be awarded 5 penalties in 8 games at the beginning of the season and then only 1 in 14 thereafter. When you then actually look at some of the incidents themselves in which we have not got the decisions e.g. the GIFs upthread, you start to question whether that can possibly be the result of one-off errors. And if not, what is the cause?

Something stinks. It stinks more than it has done so at any point since late 2011/early 2012. I'm not sure what is causing the stink, but of the existence of the stink I have no doubt.
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For sure I agree, we just need to differentiate the two more often to come to a more balanced view point or else people will pick holes in the argument. There is definitely cause for concern though, no denying that. This season has been so in your face, terrible.
 
Time for international refs, without allegiances. People come from all over the world to work in the UK in all sorts of industries. We have the best league in the world (or at least the richest) so why are we not trying to attract the best refs globally to the premier league ? (I wonder) At least it would keep this shower of sh*te on their toes !
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Since 2010/11, we've had 52 penalties awarded for us and 17 against, which is the most for and the least against. 16 more than the rags for and 5 fewer against.
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Which is probably consistent with us being either the highest scorers throughout that period or close to it, and being the team with the High possession stats in that period.

The fact that only one penalty has been awarded in the last 14 games however is completely inconsistent with both our possession/goals scored statistics and the first 8 games of the season
 
Blue Mooner said:
Time for international refs, without allegiances. People come from all over the world to work in the UK in all sorts of industries. We have the best league in the world (or at least the richest) so why are we not trying to attract the best refs globally to the premier league ? (I wonder) At least it would keep this shower of sh*te on their toes !
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Some of the European Refs are top class,multi lingual so no communication or interpretation issues.

Probably no English club allegiances,unlike most of the incompetents we get week after week.

Get some in.
 
Chris in London said:
Which is probably consistent with us being either the highest scorers throughout that period or close to it, and being the team with the High possession stats in that period.

The fact that only one penalty has been awarded in the last 14 games however is completely inconsistent with both our possession/goals scored statistics and the first 8 games of the season
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Although fans of other teams might point to 5 penalties in 8 games being slightly odd. Also, you can't make a link with possession and penalties, given that Arsenal have actually conceded more penalties than they've been awarded, over the same time span.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Although fans of other teams might point to 5 penalties in 8 games being slightly odd. Also, you can't make a link with possession and penalties, given that Arsenal have actually conceded more penalties than they've been awarded, over the same time span.
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Is there anywhere that shows, who's had the most touches in the opposition box? That would go the furthest to show, who is more likely to earn more penalties.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Time for international refs, without allegiances. People come from all over the world to work in the UK in all sorts of industries. We have the best league in the world (or at least the richest) so why are we not trying to attract the best refs globally to the premier league ? (I wonder) At least it would keep this shower of sh*te on their toes !
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There's 659 million United fans. There's only 70 million people in the UK. That's almost 600 million internationals that could be United fans!

Actually I agree. I've said it before but the referee who dis us v Juventus was top class. He didn't give us anything but he didn't fall for anything either. They'll never do it though for the same reason they will resist video refereeing.
 
I reckon most refs are vain as fuck and google their name at will.

so

mike riley
andre mariner
mark clattenburg
lee mason

you are not incompetent you are cheats.

did you get that? cheats.

oh and you are going to be stopped.
 
Bill said:
I reckon most refs are vain as fuck and google their name at will.

so

mike riley
andre mariner
mark clattenburg
lee mason

you are not incompetent you are cheats.

did you get that? cheats.

oh and you are going to be stopped.
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You missed out the Alty fan but other than that, completely agree.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Although fans of other teams might point to 5 penalties in 8 games being slightly odd. Also, you can't make a link with possession and penalties, given that Arsenal have actually conceded more penalties than they've been awarded, over the same time span.
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Arse only have the fourth highest possession in the league, just ahead of the rags who are a long ball team. They spend more time in their own third than we do and less time in the opposition third. Haven't managed to dig out pass stats for the final third and penalty area yet.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Although fans of other teams might point to 5 penalties in 8 games being slightly odd. Also, you can't make a link with possession and penalties, given that Arsenal have actually conceded more penalties than they've been awarded, over the same time span.
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They might but there wasn't much doubt about those five penalties.

You can make a link between possession and penalties simply because the more you have the ball the more likely it is you will have it in the opposition's area. It doesn't necessarily follow of course because your possession might be knocking balls around the back 4, but there is a correlation.

Arsenal is an odd one given how many penalties they concede compared to how much possession they have. I haven't seen enough arsenal games to form a view as to whether the penalties they concede are stonewall, soft, borderline or whatever.

The interesting thing so far as City are concerned about conceding is that the penalties we concede are not really a cause for concern. We get the benefit of the doubt sometimes, sometimes not. But there is a huge disconnect between what happened at the beginning of the season in terms of valid shouts for penalties largely being given and the point we have reached where we have had one penalty awarded from about 25-30 valid shouts.
 
Just think it's a shame that many matches are being ruined by the referees and not just for us.
It's like they want to be the centre of attention. I say, fuck you useless bastards we're here
to watch the real stars. I'm sure it's being done on purpose to get the controversy factor.
 
Like EPL, Bundesliga is running video assistent trials this season.
For the first part of this season - in 144 matches - 44 clear ref mistakes have been found.
33 of them could have been overruled based on the criteria in place (goals, pens, straight reds and mistaken identity for cards), about 2 decisions per matchday.

Video Assistent Referees (VAR) will be introduced in the Bundesliga from next season, planned for 2018 FIFA WC
and probably for EPL from the season 2018/19.

Will be similar to American Football then and the ref decides when and if he uses VAR.
There are ideas in Germany that it should be similar to tennis, where each team have a certain number of challenges per match.
 
St.Pauli support said:
Like EPL, Bundesliga is running video assistent trials this season.
For the first part of this season - in 144 matches - 44 clear ref mistakes have been found.
33 of them could have been overruled based on the criteria in place (goals, pens, straight reds and mistaken identity for cards), about 2 decisions per matchday.

Video Assistent Referees (VAR) will be introduced in the Bundesliga from next season, planned for 2018 FIFA WC
and probably for EPL from the season 2018/19.

Will be similar to American Football then and the ref decides when and if he uses VAR.
There are ideas in Germany that it should be similar to tennis, where each team have a certain number of challenges per match.
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Rugby has it as well right? Or is that for Tries only?
 
St.Pauli support said:
Like EPL, Bundesliga is running video assistent trials this season.
For the first part of this season - in 144 matches - 44 clear ref mistakes have been found.
33 of them could have been overruled based on the criteria in place (goals, pens, straight reds and mistaken identity for cards), about 2 decisions per matchday.

Video Assistent Referees (VAR) will be introduced in the Bundesliga from next season, planned for 2018 FIFA WC
and probably for EPL from the season 2018/19.

Will be similar to American Football then and the ref decides when and if he uses VAR.
There are ideas in Germany that it should be similar to tennis, where each team have a certain number of challenges per match.
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I don't like the ref deciding when to use it,they can still give teams preferential calls if he wants to
 
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