“The work of God”?

Well that’s fair enough mate and I apologise if I seemed to patronise it, it’s just that view was prominent in the film and the film of zeitgeist was roundly mocked.

My take on it being celestial and about the sun is this, I think you could very much argue the case and to a significant degree too, if there wasn’t the historical man and the whole thing is myth, however there’s more than enough evidence for the historical figure who died via crucifixion, that even scholars who’s life work was to disprove Jesus, have now settled on the fact the story was likely true but the divinity part isn’t.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and was killed for it is universally accepted and he knowingly made these claims knowing he’d die.

I don’t think he’d have done that to fulfil a pagan story about a sun God.

the whole point is the only evidence is one book mark( as the others are derived from it) and for the sake of argument i'll go with a man named jesus existed

where is the proof of divinity
 
Why are you so snide?
THere's nothing 'snide' about the post ban, merely trying to inject a little humour into our lives.
Your output in this thread is rather prodigious to say the least and i know (cos you tell us) that you like to look at all sides of the subject. Also, the post i replied to did include a rather long list of reading material for you to peruse.
Enlighten up.
 
I am not here to convince you, I actually get annoyed with pushy types who preach the Gospel at people in an attempt to convert them, it’s never going to work.

I am merely here to at least give the scriptures their deserved dues, and to add context where some posters have attacked them. That may prompt a silent reader to give it more thought and maybe not write it off so quickly, I don’t know if that will happen of course but I also enjoy talking about it, as debating atheists tests my faith and I think it’s healthy to do so.

On the book, as a New Testament guy, a Christian, I see it as a counter cultural immense force for good. I view the Old Testament as containing some terrible things but it was for that specific time for a specific set of people being treated horrendously, I see Jesus as coming to fulfil it but also explaining how the law should be applied, which moves away from brutality and moves the religion to being a world one.

The Bible isn’t really one book, it’s many put together, as you know.

Anyway, I have no quarrel with atheists, most of my family and friends are, I am very aware talking about Jesus these days in football circles, including this forum, invites ridicule, but I do enjoy talking about the merits of the books involved.

What I can’t stand though, is the snide comments from one or two that don’t want to debate and just want to shut others up. I don’t want to do that, I appreciate atheists have a solid argument and why people doubt the story, I’ve doubted it many times myself.
revelation is a force for good do me a favour and that is just one book of the NT
 
the whole point is the only evidence is one book mark( as the others are derived from it) and for the sake of argument i'll go with a man named jesus existed

where is the proof of divinity
The resurrection and the hundreds that saw the Risen Christ.
 
Another good read is around the theory that Jesus is actually a magic mushroom. As is Father Christmas.



Ever noticed how a lot of early pictures of Jesus show him with mushrooms?


Going further into the importance of psychedelic mushrooms and the opening of the mind, unlocking parts of the brain we don’t use day-to-day:



You can see why some believe that’s what may be being worshipped when it comes to deities. I don’t particularly subscribe to this theory, but it is interesting and holds as much weight for me as him being a miraculous son of the sky god.

That final book, not particularly looking at religion though, is brilliant!


They don't call them "Flesh of the Gods" for nothing!
 
Yes it was.

Mark’s Gospel didnt contain events after the resurrection in the first manuscript found, but it did have the resurrection itself, it just abruptly ended once the Risen Christ was seen.
You talk about gospels. How do you account for the congress of men, that decided which writings should be included in the book? There were many that didn't make the final cut. How could these men decide which ones God wanted included and more importantly, why did he have so many others dictated by himself, when he knew they wouldn't be included? He does know everything and what will happen. So, take a stab at that without highlighting it was written by men, from their own heads about God, that other men then had a meeting and decided some of them weren't really God after all?
 
You talk about gospels. How do you account for the congress of men, that decided which writings should be included in the book? There were many that didn't make the final cut. How could these men decide which ones God wanted included and more importantly, why did he have so many others dictated by himself, when he knew they wouldn't be included? He does know everything and what will happen. So, take a stab at that without highlighting it was written by men, from their own heads about God, that other men then had a meeting and decided some of them weren't really God after all?
Well from a purely material point of view the canon, as it’s called, was decided upon from which sources the Gospels came from and a level of consistency to the story.

People often falsely presume the Bible was constructed bit by bit and first it had Mark, then Matthew, then Luke etc. When in reality, these books were written completely separately, sometimes using each other and similar sources of course, but they weren’t written with the Bible already being constructed.

So it’s a matter of sources and consistency.

To give you an example, the infancy of Thomas Gospel, about Jesus as a child, isn’t backed up in any other writings. It’s completely on its own and written in the 2nd century, without any previous acknowledgement to it.

Whereas the canon Gospels were being preached in churches before they were compiled, as I said in a previous post, Paul refers to scripture in the 50’s and that’s where, people expect, the sources came from and there were the main four that held consistency, despite some contradictions, from these sources.

Regarding the religious perspective, you wouldn’t agree and would scoff at that reason so I am not going to both adding that, as it’s not a reason you would accept.
 

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