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10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances
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ninjamonkey
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And I thought that would silence the Grealish in midfield claims for a bit at least... So are we just ignoring Grealish playing in a role many claim he's built for despite no evidence to suggest that's the case first half or is it simply that he was so diabolically bad in that half that it was genuinely uncertain where exactly he was supposed to be playing? joke of a performance and no surprise Pep abandoned it quickly. completely overrun because he was strolling around. people in the stands going for a piss covered more ground than he did first half. He shown exactly why Pep will never trust him in midfield anytime soon and likely ever, unless there's an almighty change in his game. It doesn't take 9 months to learn that you need to run in this side and when Bernardo Silva is taking the ball from our centre backs one minute and is then seen repeatedly sprinting past a walking Grealish to do his pressing in the final third the next, it's inexcusable.
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OK. I want to say something. Many may say I am wrong but here is what I think -
Sprinting towards goalkeeper is not as good as you may see on the TV. One of Bernado's sprint resulted in Jesus's yellow card because Bernado abandoned his position and rushed out of line before the back line was ready to move up the pitch.
Similar case happened in Man utd vs Liverpool last year. Man utd also played 4-2-3-1 like what we did in the 1st half. Bruno rushed to the goalkeeper before the wingers were ready to push up. It resulted in Liverpool open up goal.
We could see that the game plan in this match was mid-block pressing and it would leave more space behind to let Sterlings/Jesus to run to. And also a reasonable choice considering we have less energy than the opposition.
You may say that I am finding excuses. But the statically -
We lost 3 goal vs Spurs when we pressed high and ran a lot. The first of their 2 goals came from our failures of pressing. Bernado's wrong pressing was the reason how Spurs broke our pressing line in their open up goal.
All 3 goals conceded vs Liverpool in this game, did not come from failures of pressing - but a set piece, a goalkeeper's mistake and a failure to prevent shifting from a ball throw.
Pathetic… same posters, same shit, different day.
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he should replace Bernardo Silva who is usually shit against crap teams who sit back basically 90% of the games if I am being honest. silva has a crap offensive output against those kind of teams and we don't need his energy when we have 90% of the ball. Bernardo Silva is one our worst creative players when playing against a parked bus and Jack's creativity will come in more than handy.
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exactly yesterday he was I think probably the second best offensive player. not sure that guy watched them game or simply spouting nonsense
Jack didn't play midfield against Liverpool, as you can see from the screenshot he was either False9 alongside Sterling, either second striker, but he was playing high enough, so that we all agree that it wasn't midfield position...
I think Pep just replaced KDB with Grealish and used same tactics he had at Etihad, but unfortunately Jack isn't KDB and he has different skills. It's not a coincidence only KDB plays that False9 / second striker position well and except GJ everyone struggles there..
Pep played with this formation:
------------------------Steffen-------------------------
Cancelo---Stones------------------Ake-------Zinchy
-------------Fern----------------Bernardo------------
---Jesus-------------------------------------Foden----
-----------Sterling-----------Grealish-----------------
Due to this reason, we had "holes" at RCM, because team couldn't adapt fast enough and layout was like this:
------------------------Steffen-------------------------
Cancelo---Stones------------------Ake-------Zinchy
---------------------------Fern--------------------------
-------------------------------------Bernardo----------
---Jesus-------------------------------------Foden----
-----------Sterling-----------Grealish-----------------
Maybe at Etihad that's where Walker would step in and cover that zone, but Cancelo couldn't..
So, in short -> JACK DIDN'T PLAY MIDFIELD and we can't judge by that game..
If Pep played something like this, then we would have some data, but he didn't..
------------------------Steffen-------------------------
Cancelo---Stones------------------Ake-------Zinchy
---------------------------Fern--------------------------
-----------Bernardo---------------Grealish------------
---Jesus----------------Sterling----------------Foden
I think Pep just replaced KDB with Grealish and used same tactics he had at Etihad, but unfortunately Jack isn't KDB and he has different skills. It's not a coincidence only KDB plays that False9 / second striker position well and except GJ everyone struggles there..
Pep played with this formation:
------------------------Steffen-------------------------
Cancelo---Stones------------------Ake-------Zinchy
-------------Fern----------------Bernardo------------
---Jesus-------------------------------------Foden----
-----------Sterling-----------Grealish-----------------
Due to this reason, we had "holes" at RCM, because team couldn't adapt fast enough and layout was like this:
------------------------Steffen-------------------------
Cancelo---Stones------------------Ake-------Zinchy
---------------------------Fern--------------------------
-------------------------------------Bernardo----------
---Jesus-------------------------------------Foden----
-----------Sterling-----------Grealish-----------------
Maybe at Etihad that's where Walker would step in and cover that zone, but Cancelo couldn't..
So, in short -> JACK DIDN'T PLAY MIDFIELD and we can't judge by that game..
If Pep played something like this, then we would have some data, but he didn't..
------------------------Steffen-------------------------
Cancelo---Stones------------------Ake-------Zinchy
---------------------------Fern--------------------------
-----------Bernardo---------------Grealish------------
---Jesus----------------Sterling----------------Foden
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Grealish was No 10 role as attacking midfielder in the first half when we attacked.
We played like a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-2-1-3 with Grealish in the middle.
When City defended, we defended in 4-4-2 shape with usually one midfielder and striker forms the front line. (sometimes in 4-2-3-1 shape, it depends). In your screenshot it was the moment when we defended as 442.
We usually call a player's role based on his attacking assignment not defending assignment.
Another way to easy identify Grealish's #10 role in the first half: Fabinho followed him literally everywhere.
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Grealish's one attempted tackle in the first half came when he just about strolled back to throw a token effort in when the ball was already played on thiago who had the ball free on the edge of our box and passed it basically unchallenged into our box which was the pass before the assist for their third goal. That was his one and only defensive contribution in the first half, no tackles, interceptions, clearances, blocks, nothing but a 3 second too late press. He had the fewest touches of any player on the pitch including goalkeepers in the first half barely scraping into double figures. Foden was woeful yesterday, yet still managed about 3 times as many touches of the ball than Grealish in the first half, why? Because he put the effort in.
Some people even think he played false 9 first half because he was so far off the pace of the game and put so little effort in that he was often in that position alongside or even infront of sterling at times who actually was playing upfront/false 9. He was found there not because he was playing there but because the games moved 20 yards away from him leaving him behind as he walks back leaving Bernardo and Fernandinho outnumbered in midfield
But okay mate it's all shit and he ran his arse off in that first half in the position where we are told he would excel.
Come off it. There's not a chance on earth peps set us up 4-4-2 against Liverpool. We ended up like that on a few occasions when we tried to press their back line that's it. So no, we don't all agree he didn't play midfield at all. He did play in midfield, more of a 10 and two 6s than the usual 6 and two 8s but still very much in midfield.
His positioning are just examples of him not putting in the yards to be where he should be which backs my point. You've said there you believe he was playing the kdb role from the previous game against the Dippers, nobody would say kdb wasn't playing in midfield against the dippers at the Etihad.
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I never thought Grealish would fit. And I still dont sadly.
I would have preferred someone like Leroy, fast with good finishing ability.
I used to love it when Kev pinged a long ball into space on the left and Sane was on it in a flash.
We dont have that genuine pace anymore, and our 100mill didnt buy any. Mostly jack passes backwards, game slows down.
I would have preferred someone like Leroy, fast with good finishing ability.
I used to love it when Kev pinged a long ball into space on the left and Sane was on it in a flash.
We dont have that genuine pace anymore, and our 100mill didnt buy any. Mostly jack passes backwards, game slows down.
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