10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances

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alexmcity said:
That's impressive, but a lot of former (great) players spout a lot of shit when commenting on football, e.g., Paul Merson and Stan Collymore. I rarely learn anything interesting while listening to Shearer or Neville. Most of their comments are dull, sometimes even stupid. I'm not implying anything about you, some of your comments are really interesting to me. What I'm saying is that playing a lot of football, even at top level, doesn't guarantee one has a deep understanding of football.

What's your opinion of Grealish?
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I completely agree. I’ve given you some pedigree, and I’ve written plenty on other players. Have a read, see what you think.

Feel free to disagree with anything I have to say about anyone, but use some knowledge, not spouting Fantasy Football stats!

Lastly, I’m disappointed to be discussed in the same breath as “thick as pug shit” numpties like Merson and Collymore. They’ve stolen a living for years and have both disqualified themselves (multiple times) from even being in the conversation on actual football analysis.
 
alexmcity said:
That's impressive, but a lot of former (great) players spout a lot of shit when commenting on football, e.g., Paul Merson and Stan Collymore. I rarely learn anything interesting while listening to Shearer or Neville. Most of their comments are dull, sometimes even stupid. I'm not implying anything about you, some of your comments are really interesting to me. What I'm saying is that playing a lot of football, even at top level, doesn't guarantee one has a deep understanding of football.

What's your opinion of Grealish?
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I believe my impression of his performances to date are what caused the hissy fit!

Find them filed in the “Could do better” cabinet in the “Ineffectually one dimensional so far” folder.
 
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Lavinda Past said:
I zoned out when you said Bobby Charlton.

I got hungry when you said Freddie Pye.

Something Something Something Don Corleone.

I'm not impressed by this ex-pro nonsense. Most I've met don't really have a clue about the game, indeed many aren't that interested and prefer to talk about something else.

TV pundits are living proof that old pros can blag their way through life.

I think you're the ghost of George Best and I claim my £5.
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I wish, and I’d gladly pay you the fiver to have lived his life!

As for the rest, I’ve put my football bonafides out there. While my education and careers only add to the overall picture, I’m hoping I not only don’t have to go there, but shouldn’t need to justify anything on here.

If one doesn’t agree with things I say, no worries. The world needs all viewpoints…even uninformed idiocy. It’s what helps separate the wheat from the chaff.

Im happy to lay my thoughts out there and usually enjoy most other posts.

Back on topic, and views on Grealish’s performance in Bruges, after resting him this past weekend?
 
I think at the moment he's falling into the Mahrez, Cancelo, Rodri etc... bracket of not doing anything wrong but taking time to really feel like he's up to speed with what we want from him. All those 3 above took a season really before we saw the best of them in a City shirt and it wouldn't surprise me if its the same with Jack.

As people have said, playing for us every 3/4 days constantly at the level we play at is different to what he is used to at Villa. Plus if the club having to help make adjustments off the field in terms of lifestyle, diet, when to eat etc... then it will take time for everything to come together.

In the mean time if he keeps working hard and showing the ability he has, using that dribbling at the right moments (sometimes keeping the ball is better than trying to beat a man and losing it) he'll be doing just fine and i've no doubt he'll take that step up
 
Tugay One Cup said:
What do you mean? Not sure if I've misunderstood what you're getting at but it's definitely going to be a shock for him coming from Villa to us. Not only is he going to be expected to play way more games but I'd imagine the average distances Pep expects our players to cover per game will be greater than what has been asked of him previously.

Then take into account that Bernardo Silva more often than not didn't last past the 60 minute mark for Monaco before being substituted and there were question marks over whether his fitness levels would be up to scratch because of that. The guy has been living off brews and Duracells since that initial bedding in period.

He's not exactly out of shape right now but I'd expect his fitness to go up a few levels once he's had that same time to adjust.
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My point is simply that there us no reason why all players should not be at the same level of fitness regardless of who they play for given the degree of professionalism inherent in all PL clubs. Now some players have a bigger engine than others and regardless of conditioning will appear to be fitter than others. I would expect if there is something remarkable about our fitness and training regime it would be copied very quickly by others. I would expect Grealish to improve as he gets use to a lot of things in addition to enhanced fitness levels.
 
He is trying too hard to 'be the man' for City. He really doesn't need to do that, he simply needs to fit himself into our well oiled machine. Too selfish, holds onto the ball too long and is not yet seeing the balls he should be playing. It will come if he just settles down and listens to Pep and his teammates.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I wish, and I’d gladly pay you the fiver to have lived his life!

As for the rest, I’ve put my football bonafides out there. While my education and careers only add to the overall picture, I’m hoping I not only don’t have to go there, but shouldn’t need to justify anything on here.

If one doesn’t agree with things I say, no worries. The world needs all viewpoints…even uninformed idiocy. It’s what helps separate the wheat from the chaff.

Im happy to lay my thoughts out there and usually enjoy most other posts.

Back on topic, and views on Grealish’s performance in Bruges, after resting him this past weekend?
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He worked hard, but was largely anonymous. His overall fitness level / workrate looks about 20% below the rest of the team.

He's not a £100m player by a long chalk, but he didn't set the fee. He'll be a very good squad player when he settles in, but I don't expect him to touch Sane, Silva, Toure type levels.
 
domalino said:
I didn't see these quotes posted but in the build up on the radio the had Pep talking about how big an adjustment it is for Grealish to play every 3 days, which he's never done before. They have had to sit down and teach him about his food, when he eats, his recovery, focusing 100% of your day around football and emphasising that you can't have days off.

It reminded me of Stephen Warnock once saying that people don't realise top 4 players are just different athletes to a normal PL player and he spoke about when you go man to man they're just so much leaner and stronger.

These are things people just don't think about when they see a player like Grealish move for £100m. It's going to take him 6 months at least to get to his best.
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I also think it’s because within weeks of joining we saw Grealish out on the lash several times, even on stage with Stormzy at Leeds. Not seen much since…

Think he had a polite request to be more professional and as you say, to dedicate the next decade to football.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
He is trying too hard to 'be the man' for City. He really doesn't need to do that, he simply needs to fit himself into our well oiled machine. Too selfish, holds onto the ball too long and is not yet seeing the balls he should be playing. It will come if he just settles down and listens to Pep and his teammates.
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Too selfish?! Wow! If anything he needs to be shooting and taking his man on more
 
We've seen over the years very good players take time to get used to the system, everyone has a place in different positions when we have and don't have the ball, grealish has done really well upto now and will be even better as time goes on
 
I think jack is a great addition to the squad in general but hasn't hit the ground yet. wouldn't say he does anything bad, except sometimes slow the attack down a bit much for my liking but otherwise he is good, yes, but not what you would expect from someone that cost 120mio. unfortunately he will always be measured by the fee we paid. I think his play also hurts a bit because we do not have an out and out striker and jack isn't what I would call a natural goal scorer.
 
I have little doubt Grealish will be a great player for us and that he will score/assist many goals, but I think he is already more important to the team than some people realise. Any good performance since the start of the season has involved Grealish. This isn't a mere coincidence. He helps the team to have the right balance between being in control and being creative. That's key to a Pep team, and it's far from easy.

People use wrong criteria to estimate his importance to the team. They think that if a 100m attacking player doesn't have great numbers, something's not quite right with him, no matter how the team performs. But the most important thing is how the team performs, and it is pretty obvious that we play great stuff with Grealish in there. There's no doubt that Grealish will feature in every big game, as long as he doesn't lose form (similar to Rodri and Cancelo last season). He makes us better, even if his personal stats aren't great right now.
 
As I said in the main post-match thread, Jack was quietly brilliant again last night. For someone who was such a big fish at Villa, he's getting his head down and doing the dirty work brilliantly at City. Keeps the ball moving, keeps crafting little triangles with Foden and Bernardo, keeps the defenders busy. It all means we never go stale.

There have been times under Pep where you can tell, after an hour or so, that a goal just isn't coming. We run out of ideas and resort to hoofing it into the box, hoping the ball bounces in the right place. Grealish keeps the ball on the floor, keeps things simmering, and makes sure we keep ticking over instead of trying to rush.

And then, out of nowhere, he strikes. Think about his goal against Leipzig - he'd been playing well but nothing to indicate that he'd pick the ball up like he did, take on two defenders and lash it home. And last night, much as he'd already been playing well, he turned on a dime and put Sterling through for Palmer's goal.

At the moment he reminds me a bit of Nasri, in the way he receives the ball after a move breaks down and normally knows where to play it so that the momentum isn't lost. If he's guilty of anything it's not taking games by the scruff of the neck. He seems a wee bit deferential. But that will improve with time, as it always does with Pep signings.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I completely agree. I’ve given you some pedigree, and I’ve written plenty on other players. Have a read, see what you think.

Feel free to disagree with anything I have to say about anyone, but use some knowledge, not spouting Fantasy Football stats!

Lastly, I’m disappointed to be discussed in the same breath as “thick as pug shit” numpties like Merson and Collymore. They’ve stolen a living for years and have both disqualified themselves (multiple times) from even being in the conversation on actual football analysis.
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I don’t believe anyone was disparaging you, Chicago. Merely stating what’s so evident with our sports media; that being immersed in professional football is no guarantee of any degree of knowledge or insight.

Besides, you never even said if you tracked back.
 
domalino said:
I didn't see these quotes posted but in the build up on the radio the had Pep talking about how big an adjustment it is for Grealish to play every 3 days, which he's never done before. They have had to sit down and teach him about his food, when he eats, his recovery, focusing 100% of your day around football and emphasising that you can't have days off.

It reminded me of Stephen Warnock once saying that people don't realise top 4 players are just different athletes to a normal PL player and he spoke about when you go man to man they're just so much leaner and stronger.

These are things people just don't think about when they see a player like Grealish move for £100m. It's going to take him 6 months at least to get to his best.
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Can you see him scoring his share of goals ?
What in your opinion would change to allow him to be a goal threat, because at the moment he isn't.
 
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