10 | Jack Grealish - 2022/23 Performances

[dhruvblue]

I agree.

I’ve grown to like Grealish a bit more as a person since he’s come to City, but if we were reading RAWK or RedCafe threads about a player signed for £100m, and they were saying “yeah he doesn’t get assists, or goals, but he makes space and can pass on the overlap”, we’d be laughing our bollocks off at them.

This forum mocked rags over Pogba transfer. Our fans are sounding the same. We need x type of LB to unlock Grealish, Y type of midfielder to help him. It's all same

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

This forum mocked rags over Pogba transfer. Our fans are sounding the same. We need x type of LB tk unlock Grealish, Y type of midfielder to help him. It's all same

Pogba’s lack of work ethic and mental strength caused The rags to lose a lot more games than without him.

This isn’t the case with Grealish.

 

[oldius]

I think the problem is some posters have criticised Jack for his lack of goals and assists, fair enough imo. (what is a player thread for if you cant criticise or praise a player).
Jacks fans leapt to his defence and pointed out his ball retention and winning of free kicks. (and some insinuated that Jacks detractors either know nothing about football or are really not good City fans).

This of course led to an escalation of the disagreement.

It's not "utterly bizarre" it's just the same as any other argument that escalates to ridicule and name calling.

It is the complaining about individuals that is bizarre, IMO. The whole reason for our success is that we are a team, from top to bottom, from boardroom to ball-boy. We are still complaining about individuals now following a win, our league position, and our early qualification for the CL.

What is sad, is that we are a club that has always been that way: from Bowyer to Edgy, to Raz, FFS and Plodri. As I have said, it is the only thing I despise about the club I love. Grealish just happens to be the latest player that is unfairly judged, just as they were, and judged to a different standard than others on the pitch, ignoring any evidence presented to the contrary, just as Rodri's stats were ridiculed by the same people who no longer participate in his thread.

 

[oldius]

This forum mocked rags over Pogba transfer. Our fans are sounding the same. We need x type of LB to unlock Grealish, Y type of midfielder to help him. It's all same

There is no comparison - we are the most successful team of the decade, while Pogba was a failing part of a failing whole.

 

[kye1991]

You are making stuff up, though. Either that or you're just selectively quoting "reported" figures that suit your argument best while ignoring all of the other "reported" figures that don't.

His salary has been estimated to be anywhere between £200k and £300k since he signed for us. The agent fees have been reported as being anything between £10m and £35m.

You've also waited until now to say that it's 4 goals and 3 assists in the Premier League, rather than his overall total, which is what you implied in your original post. Sneaky.

He's also not been here 18 months. We signed him in August 2021. That was 14 months ago. He won't hit 18 months until February, at which point he'll be another 20 games (roughly) into his time here.

Anyway, do I want more G/A contributions from him? Absolutely. But I'd expect more than 10 G/A contributions from any of our attacking players, regardless of what they cost.

But I've never argued the opposite and I've never said that goals and assist don't matter. What I have argued is that Grealish mostly makes up for his shortcomings in other areas of his game.

He's been a good signing. A great signing? No. But he's been solid. Could he bring a bit more? Yes. Has he brought enough to the table as a team player? Yes. He's been a 7/10 player thus far.

We didn't pay £100m for Grealish because we thought he'd be the best player in our history, we paid £100m to Villa because we wanted him in our squad and that's what they charged us.

If you'd told me in August 2021 that he'd have 10 G/A contributions by this point, I'd be a little disappointed because, as I said, I just expect better numbers from our forward players.

But if you'd told me that, at the same time, we'd win the Premier League with 93 points while Grealish started the majority of games, topping the league by the end of October 2022, I'd be just fine.

In fact, I'd be curious to look out for other areas of his game where he improved the rest of the team.

I haven't responded because you didn't ask me a question I asked you one and you answered. I wouldn't say I had a go at you either.

You say I'm selectively using reported figures and then use selectively reported figured yourself. The dates I got wrong are my fault, I have no issue with that.

The rest of it is your opinion, which your entitled to, some I agree with some I don't. I don't know what your looking for in a response tbh.

 

[youngbob]

I haven't responded because you didn't ask me a question I asked you one and you answered. I wouldn't say I had a go at you either.

You say I'm selectively using reported figures and then use selectively reported figured yourself. The dates I got wrong are my fault, I have no issue with that.

The rest of it is your opinion, which your entitled to, some I agree with some I don't. I don't know what your looking for in a response tbh.

So let me get this straight.

You came into this thread all hot and heavy and bullish with your "stats" about Grealish, you get a detailed response from me that basically says "Your stats are bullshit at worst and estimates at best, stop making stuff up", and now you're suddenly trying to play the bigger person by pulling the "Well, that's, just, like your opinion, man" routine?

Come off it, mate.

 

[kye1991]

So let me get this straight.

You came into this thread all hot and heavy and bullish with your "stats" about Grealish, you get a detailed response from me that basically says "Your stats are bullshit at worst and estimates at best, stop making stuff up", and now you're suddenly trying to play the bigger person by pulling the "Well, that's, just, like your opinion, man" routine?

Come off it, mate.

Is it an argument your looking for? Tell me what it is you want.

I wouldn't say I'm playing the bigger person at all, it just seems your words mean more to you than they do to me. You clearly think what you said deserves discussing as you tagged me twice for a response. I couldn't care less.

 

[youngbob]

Is it an argument your looking for? Tell me what it is you want.

I wouldn't say I'm playing the bigger person at all, it just seems your words mean more to you than they do to me. You clearly think what you said deserves discussing as you tagged me twice for a response. I couldn't care less.

Hahaha, says the guy who waltzes into every thread with his WUM settings on the highest level. Gimme a break.

 

[Bill Walker]

What is sad, is that we are a club that has always been that way: from Bowyer to Edgy, to Raz, FFS and Plodri. As I have said, it is the only thing I despise about the club I love. Grealish just happens to be the latest player that is unfairly judged, just as they were, and judged to a different standard than others on the pitch, ignoring any evidence presented to the contrary, just as Rodri's stats were ridiculed by the same people who no longer participate in his thread.

I don't understand how you can despise "a thing" about City, that thing being some criticism of some players. I'm sure every club has players that get complained about by fans. No way is that particular to City.

Grealish seems to me to have many supporters who think he's doing just fine. He has some that think he should score more and assist more, I am one of those.

It's really as simple as that.

If you "despise" that, then ok I can't (or have no desire) to change your mind.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't understand how you can despise "a thing" about City, that thing being some criticism of some players. I'm sure every club has players that get complained about by fans. No way is that particular to City.

Grealish seems to me to have many supporters who think he's doing just fine. He has some that think he should score more and assist more, I am one of those.

It's really as simple as that.

If you "despise" that, then ok I can't (or have no desire) to change your mind.

Who’s been better this season, Grealish or Mahrez?

Which one has 250 pages and the other 55?

 

[Bill Walker]

Who’s been better this season, Grealish or Mahrez?

Which one has 250 pages and the other 55?

I think Mahrez is having a bad time atm but has contributed well over the years he's been here with goals.

I think the 250 pages is down to Jack dividing opinion (he has cost us a lot of money), and those opinions leading to name calling/arguing, silly stuff really.

Strangely I don't think it's Jack's fault. He should be at a club where he can play like he did at Villa, that's just my opinion.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I think Mahrez is having a bad time atm but has contributed well over the years he's been here with goals.

I think the 250 pages is down to Jack dividing opinion (he has cost us a lot of money), and those opinions leading to name calling/arguing, silly stuff really.

Strangely I don't think it's Jack's fault. He should be at a club where he can play like he did at Villa, that's just my opinion.

Whatever it is, it’s unhealthy.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Who’s been better this season, Grealish or Mahrez?

Which one has 250 pages and the other 55?

So the fact that Mahrez is experiencing a dip in form is a good enough reason to destroy him and forget his valuable contributions over the years but Grealish (who has been here for almost 2 seasons and still hasn't proven useful) should be given a pass because, well..he is Superjack, right? and yet some posters here claim that there's no preference or bias here on Bluemoon? Not surprised anyway, Raz is one of our highest goal scorers and the shit most users posted here about him was just shocking, reading through some of those posts you would think they were talking about Ali Dia or Charlie Adams.

 

[ManCitizens.]

So the fact that Mahrez is experiencing a dip in form is a good enough reason to destroy him and forget his valuable contributions over the years but Grealish (who has been here for almost 2 seasons and still hasn't proven useful) should be given a pass because, well..he is Superjack, right? and yet some posters here claim that there's no preference or bias here on Bluemoon? Not surprised anyway, Raz is one of our highest goal scorers and the shit most users posted here about him was just shocking, reading through some of those posts you would think they were talking about Ali Dia or Charlie Adams.

Whilst you’re not wrong don’t forget it took 18 months for Mahrez to actually look like he belonged at City. It was only really towards the second half of his second season where he stepped it up

 

[andyhinch]

Whatever it is, it’s unhealthy.

Got 184 pages on Sterling since he joined Chelsea now that’s unhealthy

 

[shevtheblue]

Think he's done well this season, i do like the link up of Grealish - Haaland - Foden. I think that 3 gives a nice balance of power, pace, slowing things down and then being able to speed them up. Last couple of games we've seen him drive inside a lot more, i think for the Leicester game in the second half he was given specific instructions to do that.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Got 184 pages on Sterling since he joined Chelsea now that’s unhealthy

Nah,its all good forum discussion and fun.

 

[Phil1]

Whilst you’re not wrong don’t forget it took 18 months for Mahrez to actually look like he belonged at City. It was only really towards the second half of his second season where he stepped it up

He’s wrong because he thinks Grealish ‘has not been useful’
Now, even if you’re one of those who don’t think he’s ripped up any trees and can improve (which is a fair assessment) to try and say he’s not been useful at all is arguing in bad faith but I wouldn’t expect anything else from that particular poster.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Got 184 pages on Sterling since he joined Chelsea now that’s unhealthy

Totally agree. I suspect a small minority of posters have contributed the most on each thread, pro for one and anti for the other.

 

[TheSilvaSpoon]

In my opinion there is two visible issues in our current squad, at fullback and our wingers. Getting rid of Sterling and Jesus in the summer meant losing a pace, energy and goals from out wide. Haaland and Foden have stepped up to fill that void but Grealish has continued from last season with 2 contributions being far too little and Mahrez's form has fallen off a cliff.
We really seem to be missing a tricky winger a la sane or an inform sterling that can take a defender on 1v1 and unlock a defence. I'm well aware both those players struggled at times but our attack has looked sterile when haaland hasnt played.
Grealish's recent comments saying he's never been a goals and assists player is worrying as if he was contributing like he did in his last 2 seasons at villa there would be no issues or question marks. At times he does contribute to play enough within games but that alone isn't enough, to justify his fee and to be a player at city we can't have a winger/forward who contributes to goals as much as our CDM or a fullback.