sir baconface
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Yeah, and who else out of the dozens of EDS products?
Take your Pep blinkers off and name those who have prospered elsewhere.
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Yeah, and who else out of the dozens of EDS products?
Take your Pep blinkers off and name those who have prospered elsewhere.
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The question is why, why has Foden developed and nobody else. What did Pep see in Foden or say to him to convince him he had a future, why hasn’t he seen it in others.
I’d say but for Palmer he was the only one really good enough to have prospered, and to be fair I didn’t see it in Palmer either and I don’t think even Chelsea quite saw the levels he has got to.
The question isn’t which of those that left would get into the team now, it’s which ones would have got into the record breaking trophy winning teams of the last few years, because thats the level we are looking at getting back to.
sir baconface
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Because Foden couldn’t be sidelined any longer, no matter how adverse you are to bringing in youngsters. Helped by being malleable so he could be controlled 100%.
Palmer didn’t accept that policy and left to develop his career.
Few others, if any, would get in the first team now because they wouldn’t be afforded the opportunity. Some would improve on the current incumbents without necessarily being players we’d sign back for the long term.
So I’m sort of agreeing with you with a caveat.
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Foden broke into the team because of Sterling's dip in form.
I always thought Sterling had 2 careers with us.. pre-lyon miss and post lyon miss. Pep wasn't happy with the latter so the door opened and Foden took that chance.
This is despite Pep trying to squeeze Sterling into the CL final team.. he had no business being there but he was a Pep favorite back then.
Also I think Palmer hasn't exceeded our expectations realistically.. he is a 15 goal winger who takes pens so 25 goals or so a season. A bit like Saka's goal tally but I think Palmer's better than Saka. And he still goes silent against the good teams which is likely what happened when he was facing Dias, Ake and others in practice everyday.
kaz7
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That is really nice , he is always good with words , i think he is an adopted bert now
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Shows that the players know it's been tough and they are hurting too. Nice from Ilkay.
sir baconface
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He means it too. Always a gentleman and always humble.
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Classy message from Ilkay.
If they prove they are good enough they will get plenty of opportunties. Take off your Cole Palmer's
Wretched Vengeance
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A year too far for him. However, he deserves the best as he seems a thoroughly decent bloke. He was immense for several seasons scoring importing goals.
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he was brought back to give rodri a rest imo , unfortunately with rodris and the other injury's its left gundo having to play most games, still think he will do something special for us this season
At the risk of sounding horrible, I think we'd have had a better record without him. We'd have been forced to Play O'Reilly or Wright and let them grow.
Im not sure mate, it would have been a big ask for a kid to step in every three days and play what i consider the most demanding role in football(being a cdm in a guardiola team), to do it while we are so disjointed and running so low on confidence could have ruined either of them. Look at Simpson Pusey his confidence is abs shot and he is a nervous wreck despite not having to play much. I would suspect our results would have been much much worse without gundo(i havent checked but someone mentioned we have conceded a load of goals once he goes off, the derby being one, he went off at 3up against feynoord too top of my head). It would have been valuable experience for wright or o reilly but not sure we would have gained much else.
For me it all is a bit hindsight.
I think most fans were happy to bring him back without thinking about it.
But in hindsight we now realize, wait, he is really old, and this clearly meant upper management didnt plan out signings very well or thought of the youth at all.
Nothing about Gundogan of course, I kind of hope after this season he realizes that he should go into managing a bit more.
Maybe he and Kev (both have their badges) can manage our youth teams?
Johnny Mars Bar
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He’d be absolutely fine coming on for a few mins here and there as a sub, which is what he came back for.
Playing him 90 mins three times a week in a team that’s falling apart at the seams is/was the problem. That’s on the club, not Gundo.
Same old nonsense. Clubs across Europe give chances to kids.look at Barcelona. Yes the club is in shambles but they trust them. DM is not demanding Role only at city.players will learn when given opportunity in tough times. That is when character are tested. Pep may have different thought process
FromPollockToSilva
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If he was signed for his composure and experience to help us see out games, it really isn’t panning out that way. The drop-off in our intensity and ability to compete in the midfield when he replaced Kova was honestly jaw dropping
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