Stopping someone running away how? Follow the train of thought. What were his good intentions when he caught up with them? Was he going to stop them getting away by -
By asking politely? Now that would be well intentioned.
Or by ramming them off the road? That's not well intentioned.
For the umpteenth time it wasn't proved he DID ram them off the road intentionally. If it was as @gordondaviesmoustache said the charge would have been more serious.
No it wouldn't. The charge is causing serious harm by dangerous driving and the only charge more serious is causing death by dangerous driving.
Repeating something upteen times doesn't make it true.
You’ve already said that you understand why he’s done it, so can empathise with his motive.I sincerely hope I am and in such a case.
Not claiming I would do. If I decide the bloke isn't guilty in my mind then as a member of a jury I have the right to vote that way.
Whilst I don’t necessarily disagree, something will need to change if we’re going to put more and more into prison. There are 80000 currently in jail with the prison population of England & Wales quadrupling in size between 1900 and 2018, with around half of this increase taking place since 1990. Prisons are at 100% capacity and are unlikely to be funding the building of anymore in the immediate future and, even if they did, staffing them would be an enormous challenge.A custodial sentence for repeat offenders is probably the best thing that you could do as it gives a chance to reform the individuals. The real issue is that the reform that we provide doesn’t fix the underlying issues which on the whole are related to addiction, mental health and poverty (often as a result of no education).
As regards doing the same thing over and over which is often misquoted as being said by Einstein and prior to that Benjamin Franklin; maybe you’re right it does need an alternative approach.
The question then comes as to which direction to move, the current status quo doesn’t achieve the desired results. Some people will cite the low rates of reoffending in Norway and their liberal approach to prison, but considering you can get a short custodial sentence for driving under the influence or exceeding the speed limit by more than 50% it does skew the figures.
Likewise you could also look at Saudi Arabia that also has low reoffending rates, but it’s difficult to continue your offending with a missing hand or even harder without a head.
It’s undoubtedly a complex issue, however, regardless of which approach you take, the general public need to have faith in what is being done and at its heart the rule of law is being applied in a “fair play” manner (as the president of the Law Society recently noted). The courts are a public body and just as politicians, they are there to serve the people.
He would never be convicted of that unless he overtly told the court that that was his reasoning.No, actually you don't. You're legally bound to give a true verdict based on the evidence.
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That's a criminal offence. You don't have the right to return a non guilty verdict because you don't want someone to go to jail for something they've done.
So you're bragging about how you'll commit a crime to pollute the justice system and get away with it, bragging about how you've "meted out ... vigilante justice" but also want to complain about criminals getting away with crime and the state of policing.
Just a big old ball of contradictions and hypocrisy.
I was going to but couldn't be arsed with the dickI'm not bragging about anything just stating facts. Personally I couldn't give a fuck about your opinions on me ballbag. It also wasn't "meting out vigilante justice' but defending my person and property. Vigilante justice' would be to then pursue the matter further, find out where they live or drink and injure them some more.
You're just an argumentative busy **** who doesn't live in the real world. God help you if you're walking home late at night and stumble upon a couple of vicious muggers. Hopefully you're lawful passive actions save you. Do the right thing and hand over your valuables and hope they don't decide to batter you into a coma or knife you anyway just for the laughs. Still I'm sure you wouldn't want some well meaning person seeing this happening to run to your aid and take them out with a bat and save your life. If they do I'm sure they'd be grateful when you give evidence against them in court."Yes your honour those poor misjudged youths were stamping on my head but there was no need for Mr Smith to hit them with a bat. I know it could have saved my life, particularly as one had also pulled out a knife and was about to stab me,but equally his actions could have ended theirs. Two wrongs don't make a right, justice must be served."
I'm not bragging about anything just stating facts. Personally I couldn't give a fuck about your opinions on me ballbag. It also wasn't "meting out vigilante justice' but defending my person and property. Vigilante justice' would be to then pursue the matter further, find out where they live or drink and injure them some more.
You're just an argumentative busy **** who doesn't live in the real world. God help you if you're walking home late at night and stumble upon a couple of vicious muggers. Hopefully you're lawful passive actions save you. Do the right thing and hand over your valuables and hope they don't decide to batter you into a coma or knife you anyway just for the laughs. Still I'm sure you wouldn't want some well meaning person seeing this happening to run to your aid and take them out with a bat and save your life. If they do I'm sure they'd be grateful when you give evidence against them in court."Yes your honour those poor misjudged youths were stamping on my head but there was no need for Mr Smith to hit them with a bat. I know it could have saved my life, particularly as one had also pulled out a knife and was about to stab me,but equally his actions could have ended theirs. Two wrongs don't make a right, justice must be served."
There has to be a line drawn somewhere though, Paul.I'm not bragging about anything just stating facts. Personally I couldn't give a fuck about your opinions on me ballbag. It also wasn't "meting out vigilante justice' but defending my person and property. Vigilante justice' would be to then pursue the matter further, find out where they live or drink and injure them some more.
You're just an argumentative busy **** who doesn't live in the real world. God help you if you're walking home late at night and stumble upon a couple of vicious muggers. Hopefully you're lawful passive actions save you. Do the right thing and hand over your valuables and hope they don't decide to batter you into a coma or knife you anyway just for the laughs. Still I'm sure you wouldn't want some well meaning person seeing this happening to run to your aid and take them out with a bat and save your life. If they do I'm sure they'd be grateful when you give evidence against them in court."Yes your honour those poor misjudged youths were stamping on my head but there was no need for Mr Smith to hit them with a bat. I know it could have saved my life, particularly as one had also pulled out a knife and was about to stab me,but equally his actions could have ended theirs. Two wrongs don't make a right, justice must be served."
He would never be convicted of that unless he overtly told the court that that was his reasoning.
We had two people on a jury we were on that simply wouldn’t change their minds and wouldn’t talk about it. The case had blatantly not been proven, but was pretty obvious that he’d done it.
Therefore, we sat in a room for 3 days chatting about other stuff until the judge would accept a 10-2 majority verdict.
He would never be convicted of that unless he overtly told the court that that was his reasoning.
We had two people on a jury we were on that simply wouldn’t change their minds and wouldn’t talk about it. The case had blatantly not been proven, but was pretty obvious that he’d done it.
Therefore, we sat in a room for 3 days chatting about other stuff until the judge would accept a 10-2 majority verdict.
I can only assume that would be on a temporary insanity basis, but I’m no US legal expert.That's it in a nutshell. There was a fairly recent case in America where a bloke killed someone who had abused his kid. There was no doubt he was guilty but the jury delivered a not guilty verdict.
As you say nobody could prove I'd deliberately found him not guilty unless I openly admitted it and who would do that?
There was a fairly recent case in America where a bloke killed someone who had abused his kid. There was no doubt he was guilty but the jury delivered a not guilty verdict.
Attempted s18 and attempted murder/ s18/ manslaughter/murder, are all more serious and all carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. No reason they can’t be charged involving the use of a car if the evidence supports it. The alternative proposition could give rise to absurd consequences.No it wouldn't. The charge is causing serious harm by dangerous driving and the only charge more serious is causing death by dangerous driving.
Repeating something upteen times doesn't make it true.
You were literally bragging about meting out your own justice 2 posts ago you cretin.
Yes, one day I might be the victim of a crime, and I'll have to rely on the criminal justice system to hold people to account because the alternative is complete lawlessness which despite half a dozen neaderthals on here begrufging, every society on the planet has evolved past.
Why does every society on the planet have limits on self defence, and outlaws vigilantism? It's because actually, we don't want people endangering the lives of civilians in a car chase because someone almost stole something from them. And if you beat the shit out of someone with a bat, then their mate might wrestle the bat off you to stop you killing their mate, and then they'll beat the shit out of you with a bat, but hey ho, alls fair, that's not a crime because it was "instinct".
Attempted s18 and attempted murder/ s18/ manslaughter/murder, are all more serious and all carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. No reason they can’t be charged involving the use of a car if the evidence supports it. The alternative proposition could give rise to absurd consequences.