4 | Kalvin Phillips - 2022/23 Performances

[Keeper!]

Not sure but I can put it this way, I felt he was as important to us as Grealish was to Villa at the time. I’d still take him back tomorrow.

Can we have a full refund?

 

[Manc123]

I think there is a lot of negativity around kalvin at the moments. His issues of his shoulder injury compounded with the break for the world cup has esentially put him in preseason in the middle of the actual season.

He worked under bielsa who requried tempo and fitness so because of the above has resulted in him not playing as much hes going to obvioulsly require game time to get back to his best and in rhythm. I think some have short memories because i remember rodri getting slammed and told to get rid because he wasnt dinho but he got given the time to show us his best i think we should award kalvin the same opportunity.

we know from experience it take a year plus for midfielders to get to grip with the role pep wants them to play. Kalvin has come in to be back up. Seem some say dias and akanji struggled with knowing where is he. That relationship only builds with game time.

I prefer to judge him during his second season but i guess hes becoming the new whipping boy because jacks now playing well.

However he does need to improve and i think he will. Hes played 3 games from what i remember. The southampton game everyone was a shit show including our senior members. Yesterday was booked early on. I remember the chelsea carabo cup game where he got time he didnt look out of place that game.

 

[L4EV]

Can we have a full refund?

Unfortunately we need about 6 other players so we probably can’t and won’t pay that.

 

[L4EV]

I think there is a lot of negativity around kalvin at the moments. His issues of his shoulder injury compounded with the break for the world cup has esentially put him in preseason in the middle of the actual season.

He worked under bielsa who requried tempo and fitness so because of the above has resulted in him not playing as much hes going to obvioulsly require game time to get back to his best and in rhythm. I think some have short memories because i remember rodri getting slammed and told to get rid because he wasnt dinho but he got given the time to show us his best i think we should award kalvin the same opportunity.

we know from experience it take a year plus for midfielders to get to grip with the role pep wants them to play. Kalvin has come in to be back up. Seem some say dias and akanji struggled with knowing where is he. That relationship only builds with game time.

I prefer to judge him during his second season but i guess hes becoming the new whipping boy because jacks now playing well.

However he does need to improve and i think he will. Hes played 3 games from what i remember. The southampton game everyone was a shit show including our senior members. Yesterday was booked early on. I remember the chelsea carabo cup game where he got time he didnt look out of place that game.

Worth noting that before Bielsa we didn’t think he’d make it at Championship level. Don’t know if that’s a lesson of patience or a sign that he has absolutely no chance of making it here.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I think there is a lot of negativity around kalvin at the moments. His issues of his shoulder injury compounded with the break for the world cup has esentially put him in preseason in the middle of the actual season.

He worked under bielsa who requried tempo and fitness so because of the above has resulted in him not playing as much hes going to obvioulsly require game time to get back to his best and in rhythm. I think some have short memories because i remember rodri getting slammed and told to get rid because he wasnt dinho but he got given the time to show us his best i think we should award kalvin the same opportunity.

we know from experience it take a year plus for midfielders to get to grip with the role pep wants them to play. Kalvin has come in to be back up. Seem some say dias and akanji struggled with knowing where is he. That relationship only builds with game time.

I prefer to judge him during his second season but i guess hes becoming the new whipping boy because jacks now playing well.

However he does need to improve and i think he will. Hes played 3 games from what i remember. The southampton game everyone was a shit show including our senior members. Yesterday was booked early on. I remember the chelsea carabo cup game where he got time he didnt look out of place that game.

I’m happy to give him a bit more time but afraid he’s shown very little so far to convince me he’s anywhere near City’s level.

 

[Manc123]

I’m happy to give him a bit more time but afraid he’s shown very little so far to convince me he’s anywhere near City’s level.

i get that but he hasnt had the time has he thats my issue hes getting written off as not good enough. I felk ake got simular treatement because of his injuries and people thought we wasted 40 million there. I do think he will fit in i think its just a shame that because of injuries hes esentially at preseason again. I dont think its helped his case that we havent been winning games convincenly recently so pep cant take the risk of taking rodri off to give kalvin the time to learn to play with us.

 

[John Wayne]

I’m happy to give him a bit more time but afraid he’s shown very little so far to convince me he’s anywhere near City’s level.

This is probably around the right mark. It's not fair to write him off just yet, but we can only judge him on what we've seen, and if what we've seen isn't good enough then why not say it? If Kalvin Phillips deserves more time then how can the same not be said for Sergio Gomez? The reality is that both look to be short of the standard required. What worries me most about Phillips is just how far he looks off the pace. I understand why he might be rusty and things like passing can be off in such circumstances. To me, however, I saw a lack of application and a bit of a half-arsed attitude. He needs to improve mentally, physically and technically to make it with City. We shall see.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

He's played so little football for us, I don't see how anyone could think it's fair to judge him. Especially bearing in mind that it has taken better players than him a full season of regular playing time to suss out playing for Pep and he's suffered injuries which could leave him rusty. What's he played, about 60 mins for us in the Prem? He may turn out to not be good enough for us but judging a player on such little playing time is lunacy IMO. In the meantime Rodri is being flogged and it's likely to cost us at the most crucial point of the season. Giving him a chance and trying to play him into fitness and form isn't a risk, it's a necessity.

 

[richards30]

If Leeds will take him back then swap him for gnonto

 

[RayCTID]

Leeds will not do a swap and besides that Gnoto is just potential at the minute and far from the finished player. Might as well stick another couple of EDS players in the first team if that was the case.

 

[John Wayne]

He's played so little football for us, I don't see how anyone could think it's fair to judge him. Especially bearing in mind that it has taken better players than him a full season of regular playing time to suss out playing for Pep and he's suffered injuries which could leave him rusty. What's he played, about 60 mins for us in the Prem? He may turn out to not be good enough for us but judging a player on such little playing time is lunacy IMO. In the meantime Rodri is being flogged and it's likely to cost us at the most crucial point of the season. Giving him a chance and trying to play him into fitness and form isn't a risk, it's a necessity.

Of course it's a risk. If he's as invisible as he has been on the few occasions he has played then it could cost us dearly and resting Rodri becomes academic. He only got on yesterday because we were so far in front. This says a lot about where Pep sees him at the moment. Just giving him a go for his own good isn't a good enough reason to give him game time. He's miles off it currently.

To reiterate - let's not write him off just yet. A preseason could make the world of difference, but to think we have the luxury of being able to give him lots of game time this season is mistaken.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Of course it's a risk. If he's as invisible as he has been on the few occasions he has played then it could cost us dearly and resting Rodri becomes academic. He only got on yesterday because we were so far in front. This says a lot about where Pep sees him at the moment. Just giving him a go for his own good isn't a good enough reason to give him game time. He's miles off it currently.

To reiterate - let's not write him off just yet. A preseason could make the world of difference, but to think we have the luxury of being able to give him lots of game time this season is mistaken.

Playing Rodri every single match is a bigger risk imo. I’m certainly not suggesting we give him loads of game time “for his own good” but just some game time mainly so our best player can still have something in the tank when it gets to the most crucial part of the season.

 

[John Wayne]

Playing Rodri every single match is a bigger risk imo. I’m certainly not suggesting we give him loads of game time “for his own good” but just some game time mainly so our best player can still have something in the tank when it gets to the most crucial part of the season.

Fair enough, and it'd be difficult to argue otherwise. However, I think Phillips only gets game time in matches we're absolutely certain that we've won. This does narrow it down somewhat, because we usually need a three-goal advantage to be in that position. Barring injuries to others, Wednesday might be the last chance we have this season to start him in a game.

 

[lunebleu]

If he doesn’t start against Bristol he’s either not fit enough or Pep doesn’t rate/ trust him . We shall see.

 

[RayCTID]

Pep gave him decent amount of minutes so probably will start on Tuesday.

 

[Tevez City]

Don't really get the negativity.

He's learning to play the same role that Rodri struggled to get to grips with in his first season and he's had injury problems holding him back from getting any real momentum.

I say this as someone who didn't really rate him before he signed and was completely underwhelmed when he did show up.

He's not an important player for us, why not just wait and see how it unfolds? I don't really get this fascination with pretending a specific player is somehow dragging the team back and that they have to leave. Especially when they're a squad player.

Anyone even suggesting they'd be happy with Perrone filling in if Rodri picks up a knock is off their head.

Enzo Fernandez has played well since the 1st game in spite of coming from different league.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Enzo Fernandez has played well since the 1st game in spite of coming from different league.

They haven't won a single match since he's joined and he's been pretty much a non entity for the last three games. He's played five in total.

He also cost three times as much and has fuck all competition for his place at his club.

Weird example to give.

 

[supercity88]

I want every player at City to do well of course, but I don't see what Kalvin is offering at the moment. He needs to learn how to control the game and the positioning which takes a long time - it took Rodri about 18 months. But despite that he's always had so much energy and intensity which just doesn't seem to be there at the moment. He's not played much and that's probably got a lot to do with it. Hopefully he gets 90mins against Bristol City and has a good performance and can start being used in games to cover for Rodri or sub for him after 60-70mins.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I want every player at City to do well of course, but I don't see what Kalvin is offering at the moment. He needs to learn how to control the game and the positioning which takes a long time - it took Rodri about 18 months. But despite that he's always had so much energy and intensity which just doesn't seem to be there at the moment. He's not played much and that's probably got a lot to do with it. Hopefully he gets 90mins against Bristol City and has a good performance and can start being used in games to cover for Rodri or sub for him after 60-70mins.

A big issue for me is the lack of intensity and enthusiasm he appears to be showing.On Saturday he should have been like a man possessed when he got his opportunity,instead i saw a player who was mostly just going through the motions.

The lad has ability,and he was seemingly the perfect back up for Rodri,and maybe a player that could even push him.....yet he doesn't give the impression of someone who wants to be here.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

If he doesn’t start against Bristol he’s either not fit enough or Pep doesn’t rate/ trust him . We shall see.

I'm not so certain myself either. He was only on for four minutes before he got booked. He seemed to have reverted to classic Leeds mode, and in a mad scramble to impress he's been done by the whistling wanker. I've not seen the action but was it a cautionable offence, or was the ref just having a go at a sky blue sub?