Its not that though it’s something else. He was a good player at Leeds and did okay for England. He should have been okay at either West Ham or Ipswich but he wasn’t so it isn’t ability its something else seems to have lost all his confidence and is a shell of his former self.
I'm super old school, Ottoman Empire for meTurkiye (or Turkey if you're old school) would suit him I reckon.
Not particularly close to Yorkshire mind ;)
Makes a good story but the idea that a professional footballer can't recover from a minor gybe is nonsense.Pep Guardiola humiliated him publicly about his weight and he never recovered from it.
Makes a good story but the idea that a professional footballer can't recover from a minor gybe is nonsense.
He will have had far greater insults in his career, he wasn't picked before it happened or after.
Seemed like a decent guy and I wish him well, but he was simply a poor buy.
If you think a single comment about being overweight ( Which was factually accurate)amounts to public humiliation, you've lead a rather more sheltered life than I. And I don't think I have exactly lived through the hardest school of hard knocks.I agree that he was a poor buy but I don't agree that Pep publicly humiliating him could be considered anywhere near 'minor'.
It was nasty, classless, and completely unnecessary for Pep to go public about Kalvin's weight. The matter should have been dealt with privately in Pep's office.
I can't imagine for one minute that Kalvin is the only Pep player to come back overweight, yet we don’t see him calling anyone else out like this.
Pep publicly 'marked his card', Kalvin lost heart. Absolutely shite man management by Pep in my opinion.
The fact that Pep publicly apologised, after a private conversation about it, would suggest to me that Pep would agree with your post wholeheartedlyI agree that he was a poor buy but I don't agree that Pep publicly humiliating him could be considered anywhere near 'minor'.
It was nasty, classless, and completely unnecessary for Pep to go public about Kalvin's weight. The matter should have been dealt with privately in Pep's office.
I can't imagine for one minute that Kalvin is the only Pep player to come back overweight, yet we don’t see him calling anyone else out like this.
Pep publicly 'marked his card', Kalvin lost heart. Absolutely shite man management by Pep in my opinion.
If you think a single comment about being overweight ( Which was factually accurate)amounts to public humiliation, you've lead a rather more sheltered life than I. And I don't think I have exactly lived through the hardest school of hard knocks.
Didn’t Kalvin also say some months afterwards that it proper knocked his confidence?It's nothing to do with 'hard knocks'
So you'd be happy if your boss went to the national media to criticise your performance at work...?
It's about professional pride. He made a mistake coming back overweight, but was hung out to dry publicly by his boss. That's not 'hard knocks' it's public humiliation.
As I said... absolutely shite man management by Pep Guardiola. So arrogant and unprofessional.
Give over, if he's thin skinned enough to let that ruin his career then he'd have never made it pro.Pep Guardiola humiliated him publicly about his weight and he never recovered from it. That could and should have been done behind closed doors. Once it was out there, Pep simply distanced himself from the lad.
He's not the man he was at Leeds and that's as much Pep's fault as anyone else's.
Good luck to him wherever he ends up.
Give over, if he's thin skinned enough to let that ruin his career then he'd have never made it pro.
I think the reality is the shoulder injury he got before joining us & he had to have surgery on right away fucked him up more
I think it’s his speed. Not his running, but his speed of thought and the quickness of his feet on the ball. If you need a 2 second pause to figure out what you’re doing, you’re getting tackled and losing the ball. In the hole, you need to be a plate spinner. He was a plate smasher!Never good enough. A stock car in a formula 1 team.
One wonders what EXACTLY went wrong there.
Homesick?
Too stupid to learn?
Complete loss of confidence?
Or, did the game just pass him by?
Disagree, he was injured as soon as he arrived and unavailable for selection, he never showed any hunger or desire to get super fit and get and keep in our side.I agree that he was a poor buy but I don't agree that Pep publicly humiliating him could be considered anywhere near 'minor'.
It was nasty, classless, and completely unnecessary for Pep to go public about Kalvin's weight. The matter should have been dealt with privately in Pep's office.
I can't imagine for one minute that Kalvin is the only Pep player to come back overweight, yet we don’t see him calling anyone else out like this.
Pep publicly 'marked his card', Kalvin lost heart. Absolutely shite man management by Pep in my opinion.
Pep Guardiola humiliated him publicly about his weight and he never recovered from it. That could and should have been done behind closed doors. Once it was out there, Pep simply distanced himself from the lad.
He's not the man he was at Leeds and that's as much Pep's fault as anyone else's.
Good luck to him wherever he ends up.
I agree with you, I thought it was crass and unprofessional of Guardiola to discuss the problem in that way. He could either said nothing or said he wasn’t fit and shut the conversation down. It’s bound to knock someone’s confidence.It's nothing to do with 'hard knocks'
So you'd be happy if your boss went to the national media to criticise your performance at work...?
It's about professional pride. He made a mistake coming back overweight, but was hung out to dry publicly by his boss. That's not 'hard knocks' it's public humiliation.
As I said... absolutely shite man management by Pep Guardiola. So arrogant and unprofessional.
He's a millionaire professional footballer not a wallflower, sometimes you need a boot up the backside sometimes you need a shoulder round your arm, occasionally managers get it wrong. This does not make it an 'arrogant unprofessional' action that's hysterical claptrap.It's nothing to do with 'hard knocks'
So you'd be happy if your boss went to the national media to criticise your performance at work...?
It's about professional pride. He made a mistake coming back overweight, but was hung out to dry publicly by his boss. That's not 'hard knocks' it's public humiliation.
As I said...absolutely shite man management by Pep Guardiola. So arrogant and unprofessional.
That's the sort of attitude that would result in us becoming a mid table side.I agree with you, I thought it was crass and unprofessional of Guardiola to discuss the problem in that way. He could either said nothing or said he wasn’t fit and shut the conversation down. It’s bound to knock someone’s confidence.