9/11 - More evidence it was set up by people in the shadows

[uncle b]

personally i think the recent bombings in western nations were the resposibility of the governments, intelligence agencies, and those who stand to gain financially from such events.

how do 'they' do that then?

is there some giant bank account 'they' get paid into?

who withdraws this money, and how do explosions make 'them' well off?

if you think about things a little, and I've only picked up on one paragraph you've written, I think you'll come to the only rational and sensible conclusion that what you've said doesn't make any sense.

or let me ask you this:-

I'm the head of a government agency.. so I want to make a little extra dough (this is my idea, and I'm the first person who has thought of it) - can you explain to me how I can personally become wealthier by creating terrorist bombings?

- did you read the threads that I posted up earlier?

(my guess again is you didn't; no need to huh? - there are 7s in all those dates you listed; bingo!)

Because the people in the swadows own the companies that supply the army with everything, then they take over and rebuild it.

 

[goatboy]

couple of things really that are puzzling me about the whole terrorism thing in general. lets put aside conspiracies and mud sling for a second please and try and look at a couple of points objectively.

personally i think the recent bombings in western nations were the resposibility of the governments, intelligence agencies, and those who stand to gain financially from such events.

i'll use 7/7 as the example for this though the same can be said for 9/11. we are a country that has been used to being attacked over history and particulary during ww2 and after that every time we were attacked we developed "the blitz mentality etc. so rather than weakening us as planned it brings the nation together and we rally behind our leader. so why would you attack someone if you know it will make them stronger, better funded and hate you even more? make any sense to you? i have to laugh whenever i hear the phrase "they did it because they hate our freedom" well they dont have our freedom so whats to hate. if i have a problem with you i take it to you, i dont go beat up someone in your street or at your work so why would terrorists do the same effectively. but we are told over and over again that they are out to get us and only our government (who started this shit) can save us

secondly imagine you were an investigator looking at some of the bombings in western nation over the last 20 years or so. would it alarm you to discover the fact that at most of the major (really major) attacks in the west the security services have just happened to be waiting round the corner or running drills of an identical thing happening at that exact place, hmmmmmmm. does that seem like a regular m.o to you? (oklahoma city bombing, 9/11, 7/7, madrid) thats some serious modus operandi that has been conveniently ignored. if there are four identical murders and you just happen to be at the scene of each of them even though they are in different countries do you think you are explaining your way out of it?

just a couple of thoughts

goatboy just a thing here mate, you say lets put conspiracy theories to one side for a bit and then offer a conspiracy theory as your point of view. You are looking at it objectivly but with a very conspiracy theorist mind

a fair point mate but also just look at it logically, especially the m.o of these recent attacks and how they have been handled by agencies of the state. same hallmarks turning up at each event. only those involved within the highest echelons of power could co-ordinate such events. unless people would suggest that the "terrorists" made the government have "drills"

set all emotional, political and religious feeling aside and decide if you think the preceeding scenarios add up to you. what would be the odds of such things happening so precisely?

 

[TCIB]

The fact perfect spheres of iron were found at the site can ONLY be made by thermite, thats not some conspiracy crap its fact.

Im not gonna make sweeping bold statements but something doesn't fit, the hole in the pentagon looked the same diameter as my winky aka small, and not one person i know agrees with the official version for a multitude of reasons.
My good friend is an aeronautical engineer and he says its complete bollocks about the plane hitting the pentagon, he swore hand on heart that they are out and out lies.

So i don't know what happened but the official version is just pure bollocks and i doubt we will ever know why.

 

[goatboy]

personally i think the recent bombings in western nations were the resposibility of the governments, intelligence agencies, and those who stand to gain financially from such events.

how do 'they' do that then?

is there some giant bank account 'they' get paid into?

who withdraws this money, and how do explosions make 'them' well off?

if you think about things a little, and I've only picked up on one paragraph you've written, I think you'll come to the only rational and sensible conclusion that what you've said doesn't make any sense.

or let me ask you this:-

I'm the head of a government agency.. so I want to make a little extra dough (this is my idea, and I'm the first person who has thought of it) - can you explain to me how I can personally become wealthier by creating terrorist bombings?

- did you read the threads that I posted up earlier?

(my guess again is you didn't; no need to huh? - there are 7s in all those dates you listed; bingo!)

Because the people in the swadows own the companies that supply the army with everything, then they take over and rebuild it.

i was'nt gonna dignify it with an answer

but george bush probably has the bank card for the halifax "taking over the world fund"

the "terrorist" attack prompted us to go to war in afghanistan and later on iraq. and what is one of the most profitable businesses in the world? thats right, war. thats one very simple and very profitable way of making money from a scenario such as this, one of many<br /><br />-- Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:31 am --<br /><br />

The fact perfect spheres of iron were found at the site can ONLY be made by thermite, thats not some conspiracy crap its fact.

Im not gonna make sweeping bold statements but something doesn't fit, the hole in the pentagon looked the same diameter as my winky aka small, and not one person i know agrees with the official version for a multitude of reasons.
My good friend is an aeronautical engineer and he says its complete bollocks about the plane hitting the pentagon, he swore hand on heart that they are out and out lies.

So i don't know what happened but the official version is just pure bollocks and i doubt we will ever know why.

also look at some pics of the towers wreckage and the steel beams have been cut clean at a 45 degree angle, just like a professional implosion. sheered clean through no less, fire aint doing that.

in regards to the pentagon "plane" is it just me or would a passenger jet flying low enough to be knocking out lamp posts be slightly noticeable, as in deafeningly noticeable? just a something i've never heard addressed before

 

[TCIB]

Hi goatboy,

Yes i agree with what you say fully My grandfather was a senior physicist at ici and all round super brainy guy he said the same as you basically something like "this being a result of a plane strike would be like finding straight lines in nature, it just does not happen".

Yes the cuts look perfect, one demo guy stated if memory serves "whoever did that they are very very good i have been doing this 30 years and would be proud of such precision", this guy was a normal beer drinking pub going chap like us and no conspiracy nut.

With regards to the pentagon i agree again, damage on the flight path of the so called plane strike would have left much more damage and also pilots who looked at this said words to the effect that its rubbish, they could not have come down at such a steep angle and controlled the plane if they tried. The wreckage was totally inconsistant with the model of plane that apparently did strike also.

I saw some footage that was hosted on a site years ago that the fbi seized showing a camera crew going to a house for a pre arranged interview with a scientist, when they got their the wife screamed "just get the f**k away we cant say a word to you please your risking my husbands life just go now" that i can tell you shocked the hell out of me as you could see the fear in her face, pure proper fear, someone put the shits up her proper.

I have a few good vids i ripped from the net that are now not available due to fbi seizures of the sites or materials on said vids, its on my old hdd but ill find them and make a torrent for you guys, and no its not common stuff like loose change etc.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

I'm wondering just how old you two are?

 

[TCIB]

MCFCinUSA, shouldnt you be busy jacking of over the tv with fox news on.

With your poor attempt at subtle trolling would you like to explain how thermite was found at the scene please. So rather than just generally failing at being a troll (go to /b/ you may learn something of trolling) would you like to explain that simple issue away i have yet to here any reasons how it could be there.

I don't go for all the area 51 bull i work with science and facts my friend and science and facts is not bias.

Edit: Im 29 and run an organic chemical engineering company along with being a freelance programmer in asp.python, php, c, c#, c++, java, javascript, and a few others, Hope that satisfies whatever info you hoped to glean from such a question :)

 

[goatboy]

facts are'nt dependent on a persons age my friend

 

[ChicagoBlue]

As a United Airlines pilot, and having lost a pilot personal friend in those aircraft, as well as many other colleagues I knew on 9/11, I find it hard to believe that a few fucking nutcase conspiracy theorists can get this thread to 40-odd pages.

I don't care if you found kryptonite at the site of the WTCs, they were hit by two aircraft. The first was an American Airlines aircraft and the second was a United Airlines aircraft. The Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines aircraft and a United Airlines aircraft left a rather large crater in a field in Shanksville, PA after the passengers took matters into their own hands and forced their way into the cockpit.

THAT is what happened and, contrary to ANY conspiracy theory, we have PROOF OF IT!

Now, move on to the lunar landings, Roswell, or time travel, because 10 years later this bullshit is still going on and you are stomping on the graves of those who lost their lives and the families and friends that grieve them!

 

[TCIB]

You can capslock all you like and i am sorry for the loss of your friend.

You still just say its crap with no proof, please show me this proof and ill hold my hands up. nobody disputes they were hit by a plane bud, but i dispute thats what took them down.

You obviously didn't read my posts fully so i will repeat, i am a man of science not bullshit.
There is much crap that has and can be dispelled but a lot has not and i see no scientific reason how it can be without more dispute being brought upon the official story.
As i stated area 51 stuff is bullshit all you are doing is ranting "WE HAVE PROOF" yet i see non that dispells scientific FACTS that i have stated.

Don't you dare accuse me of "stomping on the graves of those who lost their lives" as i also had a friend die in tower 2, thats the words of narrow minded ignorant yes men.

I am free to ask questions to events that have STILL not been explained with any reasonable answer. If you can do this, again i will hold my hands up and admit i was wrong.

Just so you know my friend who lost his life their, his family don't beleive the official investigations report as do a hell of a lot of the other familys who lost loved ones.

Again i am asking just one of many questions to be resolved here namely the presence of thermite (of which i saw the chromatography results) that was in pressence at a grade far above any semi-commercial available source.
This is a solid FACT not rumour or conjecture, it was their and the formation of perfect spherical globules of iron can ONLY be created by the use of thermite no other compound of known substance can crate this effect upon iron when reacted with heat.

Thermite is so dangerous and unstable a compound it is produced in the middle of nowhere under extreme control, no place in the New York area has this product been produced or stored due to its volotile nature. So why was it present and specifically present with the iron used in the construction of the twin towers ?

These are more than valid questions, feel free to ask a freind in the chemisty field they will only varify my points.
Again these are varified facts not conjecture or rumour.

I have many more unanswered questions also and the frankly disgraceful method of trying to quel such discussion by trying to make anyone who questions the poorly investegated official report look like an insensitive ill informed predjudice crazy will not wash with me pal. Ranting does not equate to proven fact.