9/11

[mexico1970]

Very very sad day for everyone, probably highlighted just how many conspiracy theory loons we have in the west too.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Flight 97 if I remember correctly?

Yes. I’m sure it was the one that was headed to the White House. I can’t imagine the further chaos that would have ensued had it not been for those brave people. Good film about that. I say good, it’s fucking harrowing.

 

[supercity88]

My generations Kennedy moment.

I think anybody who saw the TV coverage watching it unfold was in some kind of shock.

First the towers, then the pentagon. An international WTF moment in history.

Absolutely shocking. It never becomes easier to watch, or any more understandable. The fact that the live coverage discusses a potential accident, before you then see the second plane crash into the other tower made it even more shocking and beyond belief.

Subsequent footage with voicemail's, people throwing themselves out of the building etc really brings it home.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Absolutely shocking. It never becomes easier to watch, or any more understandable. The fact that the live coverage discusses a potential accident, before you then see the second plane crash into the other tower made it even more shocking and beyond belief.

Subsequent footage with voicemail's, people throwing themselves out of the building etc really brings it home.

The Falling Man is a documentary that hit home where footage is concerned. Also The Children of 9/11.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

I find it really really hard to believe the towers were brought down the fires caused by the two planes.


9/11 suited the Bush administration's purposes, at the very least I think it may have been allowed to happen?

When the WTC was constructed all the metal girders that made up the structure/skeleton of the building received a spray-on chemical fire retardant. This was burned off by the tremendous heat of tons of burning aviation fuel and the integrity of the towers was thus fatally weakened. When the NYFD firefighters arrived they believed they had a good chance to rescue the people trapped on the floors above the blaze and the chiefs sent those brave men climbing the stairs to do that. They'd just have to climb the 80-odd floors in full gear in time to carry people out from their offices before they succumbed to the fumes or the flames. But this was not their normal fire. The rescuers got so close. A woman on a frantic call to a 911 operator reported hearing fire fighters reaching her floor. At the same time a structural engineer standing on the street some distance away observed that the towers were beginning to buckle and lean inwards as the compromised metal beams gave way. He sent a message to the NYFD chief who was still directing rescue crews to climb the stairs, telling him that collapse was imminent. You can see on video the very moment the chief gets the message, next moment a huge roar makes him look upwards and the tower is coming down. The NYFD chief didn't have time to issue an evacuation order to the firemen high above; even if he had it's doubtful that New York's bravest would have turned their backs on the souls they had gone in to save.

Bin Laden's terrorists did this. Your last sentence implying that Bush somehow "allowed it to happen" confuses consequence with cause. That's foolish. Yes it "suited" Bush (who I didn't care for) to strike against Bin Laden afterwards but it's absurd to argue that the administration was in on it. Actually it's beyond absurd, it's disgusting.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

When the WTC was constructed all the metal girders that made up the structure/skeleton of the building received a spray-on chemical fire retardant. This was burned off by the tremendous heat of tons of burning aviation fuel and the integrity of the towers was thus fatally weakened. When the NYFD firefighters arrived they believed they had a good chance to rescue the people trapped on the floors above the blaze and the chiefs sent those brave men climbing the stairs to do that. They'd just have to climb the 80-odd floors in full gear in time to carry people out from their offices before they succumbed to the fumes or the flames. But this was not their normal fire. The rescuers got so close. A woman on a frantic call to a 911 operator reported hearing fire fighters reaching her floor. At the same time a structural engineer standing on the street some distance away observed that the towers were beginning to buckle and lean inwards as the compromised metal beams gave way. He sent a message to the NYFD chief who was still directing rescue crews to climb the stairs, telling him that collapse was imminent. You can see on video the very moment the chief gets the message, next moment a huge roar makes him look upwards and the tower is coming down. The NYFD chief didn't have time to issue an evacuation order to the firemen high above; even if he had it's doubtful that New York's bravest would have turned their backs on the souls they had gone in to save.

Bin Laden's terrorists did this. Your last sentence implying that Bush somehow "allowed it to happen" confuses consequence with cause. That's foolish. Yes it "suited" Bush (who I didn't care for) to strike against Bin Laden afterwards but it's absurd to argue that the administration was in on it. Actually it's beyond absurd, it's disgusting.

A great post. I think some, not necessarily that poster, do it on purpose. Especially the ghouls and cunts on X and the like. They come up with such bullshit as the planes were CGI. Crisis actors. Fade to black. It’s all done for likes and shit like that, but it doesn’t half piss me off.

Then there are those who actually believe what they say.

We all saw what happened in real time. It was what it was.

 

[Really_here]

I always found it amazing how they found the undamaged passport of one of the hijackers in the rubble. What are the chances‽ especially as they never recovered the black box from the planes.

I don't know if that story is true but it does allude to what I said earlier about unaswered questions. I apologise if anyone finds my thoughts disgusting but I would like to know why the BBC announced that building 7 had collapsed before it happened. It's quite possible that the BBC were told that it would be demolished by the fire department due to it being unstable or something similar but that isn't what we were told.
I am also surprised that there were never more pictures of the plane approaching/hitting the Pentagon released given that it must be one of most camera saturated sites in the USA and all footage from surrounding sites was immediately confiscated.
I won't ramble any more it was a horrible day but not all the non-offical government stuff on the Internet is tripe.
It took decades for the Warren comission report to be properly contradicted and an admission made that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone. Governments do have a haibt of making the facts suit their objectives, remember Iraq's 'weapons of mass destriction' ?
Maybe 50 years from now some of the questions around 9/11 may be answered.

 

[manimanc]

Absolutely shocking. It never becomes easier to watch, or any more understandable. The fact that the live coverage discusses a potential accident, before you then see the second plane crash into the other tower made it even more shocking and beyond belief.

Subsequent footage with voicemail's, people throwing themselves out of the building etc really brings it home.

It was the people throwing themselves out of the buildings that really fucked me up. I couldn't shake it that these people had turned up for work and not an hour later they was faced with the choice of burning to death or jump to their death.

Absolutely heartbreaking.

What I find myself doing now if I watch any of the footage of the planes going into the towers is putting myself in the shoes of the poor fuckers onboard and what they must've gone through in them last moments. I shouldn't but because I'm a bit of a plane geek I can't help it.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Maybe a little known fact but David Angell, who wrote Cheers and produced Wings and Frasier, was on the first plane

 

[mexico1970]

Maybe a little known fact but David Angell, who wrote Cheers and produced Wings and Frasier, was on the first plane

WOW, real people real lives taken by terror.