A brief glimpse of God and Creation

[SWP's back]

Still ignoring my post showing that children don't necessarily have to be indoctrinated to the church as you have no answer.

As normal.

 

[Shadz69]

Perhaps we've got a better system in England. We wouldn't have such issues over here.

Just for you pauldomonic

Priest denies abuse of seven boys

Thursday, 19 May 2011

A former Catholic priest today denied sexually assaulting seven boys who are alleged to have been abused between 1974 and 1994.

Alexander Bede Walsh pleaded not guilty to 23 counts of indecent assault and two other serious sexual offences when he appeared before a judge at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court.

Walsh, who served as a priest in Coventry and in the Cheadle area of north Staffordshire, will stand trial on a date to be fixed.


The 57-year-old, of Church Lane in Abbots Bromley, near Rugeley, Staffordshire, was charged with the offences earlier this year after a detailed investigation by detectives from Staffordshire Police.


The charges allege that Walsh, who was released on conditional bail, indecently assaulted boys aged between seven and 16 on various dates between July 1974 and December 1994

-- Mon May 30, 2011 5:36 pm --

And another

Former priest jailed for 'wicked' sex abuse of boys
Robinson worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry An "unimaginably wicked" former priest has been given a prison sentence of 21 years for sexually abusing boys in the West Midlands.

Richard John James Robinson, 73, was found guilty of 21 charges relating to offences against boys, all aged under 16, between 1959 and 1983.

One victim told Birmingham Crown Court he had "carried" Mr Robinson's face with him ever since being assaulted.

Robinson was extradited from the US in August last year.

He had worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry until the mid-1980s, when he moved to California.


Sentencing him, Judge Patrick Thomas QC said Robinson was "devious and manipulative".

"The offences you committed were unimaginably wicked and caused immense and long-lasting - we can only hope not permanent - damage to the six victims.

"You used, you abused your position of trust, your position of authority and total trust within the communities that you moved to and from
Judge Thomas said of Robinson's targeting of the boys: "You enjoyed doing your best to habituate them, to groom them into accepting what you did to them.

"You were, and are, sufficiently devious, manipulative and bold to have got away with a highly risky sequence of sexual encounters over a period of 25 years."

He also criticised Robinson for refusing to return to the UK to face his accusers, saying he believed he was beyond the reach of the law.

Ya want me to post any more paul?

 

[pauldominic]

Still ignoring my post showing that children don't necessarily have to be indoctrinated to the church as you have no answer.

As normal.

When you're outnumbered 10-1 and the only Catholic on BM prepared to defend the church it gets difficult.

The answer to this is obvious.

From the day children are born they are subject to influence from other people in their life.

Atheists make claims to all sorts of things including education. As an atheist friend puts it.

"Why should my taxes go to subsidise church schools"?

A very loaded question. Actually its the other way round.

It is a state responsibility to provide an education and churches volunteer to provide extra funding. My parish has a levy placed on it from the secondary school for every child from our geographical parish regardless of whether they come to church or not.

To answer your question, the atheist position on this is that Children should be presented with facts about all the major religions and left to make a decision.

That would be ok except that its not an intellectual decision.

Its an investment of the heart and soul.

I don't have the slightest problem with children being brought up attending church schools.

 

[SWP's back]

Appreciate you along the time to respond though I still vehemently disagree.

 

[pauldominic]

Perhaps we've got a better system in England. We wouldn't have such issues over here.

Just for you pauldomonic

Priest denies abuse of seven boys

Thursday, 19 May 2011

A former Catholic priest today denied sexually assaulting seven boys who are alleged to have been abused between 1974 and 1994.

Alexander Bede Walsh pleaded not guilty to 23 counts of indecent assault and two other serious sexual offences when he appeared before a judge at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court.

Walsh, who served as a priest in Coventry and in the Cheadle area of north Staffordshire, will stand trial on a date to be fixed.


The 57-year-old, of Church Lane in Abbots Bromley, near Rugeley, Staffordshire, was charged with the offences earlier this year after a detailed investigation by detectives from Staffordshire Police.


The charges allege that Walsh, who was released on conditional bail, indecently assaulted boys aged between seven and 16 on various dates between July 1974 and December 1994

-- Mon May 30, 2011 5:36 pm --

And another

Former priest jailed for 'wicked' sex abuse of boys
Robinson worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry An "unimaginably wicked" former priest has been given a prison sentence of 21 years for sexually abusing boys in the West Midlands.

Richard John James Robinson, 73, was found guilty of 21 charges relating to offences against boys, all aged under 16, between 1959 and 1983.

One victim told Birmingham Crown Court he had "carried" Mr Robinson's face with him ever since being assaulted.

Robinson was extradited from the US in August last year.

He had worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry until the mid-1980s, when he moved to California.


Sentencing him, Judge Patrick Thomas QC said Robinson was "devious and manipulative".

"The offences you committed were unimaginably wicked and caused immense and long-lasting - we can only hope not permanent - damage to the six victims.

"You used, you abused your position of trust, your position of authority and total trust within the communities that you moved to and from
Judge Thomas said of Robinson's targeting of the boys: "You enjoyed doing your best to habituate them, to groom them into accepting what you did to them.

"You were, and are, sufficiently devious, manipulative and bold to have got away with a highly risky sequence of sexual encounters over a period of 25 years."

He also criticised Robinson for refusing to return to the UK to face his accusers, saying he believed he was beyond the reach of the law.

Ya want me to post any more paul?

You can post as much as you want. I've already said its a scandal and the Catholic laity wouldn't disagree one jot.

Once again the dates are indicative.<br /><br />-- Mon May 30, 2011 5:59 pm --<br /><br />

Appreciate you along the time to respond though I still vehemently disagree.

Thats the kind of reply I thoroughly appreciate. A sincere thank you.

 

[Shadz69]

Perhaps we've got a better system in England. We wouldn't have such issues over here.

Just for you pauldomonic

Priest denies abuse of seven boys

Thursday, 19 May 2011

A former Catholic priest today denied sexually assaulting seven boys who are alleged to have been abused between 1974 and 1994.

Alexander Bede Walsh pleaded not guilty to 23 counts of indecent assault and two other serious sexual offences when he appeared before a judge at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court.

Walsh, who served as a priest in Coventry and in the Cheadle area of north Staffordshire, will stand trial on a date to be fixed.


The 57-year-old, of Church Lane in Abbots Bromley, near Rugeley, Staffordshire, was charged with the offences earlier this year after a detailed investigation by detectives from Staffordshire Police.


The charges allege that Walsh, who was released on conditional bail, indecently assaulted boys aged between seven and 16 on various dates between July 1974 and December 1994

-- Mon May 30, 2011 5:36 pm --

And another

Former priest jailed for 'wicked' sex abuse of boys
Robinson worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry An "unimaginably wicked" former priest has been given a prison sentence of 21 years for sexually abusing boys in the West Midlands.

Richard John James Robinson, 73, was found guilty of 21 charges relating to offences against boys, all aged under 16, between 1959 and 1983.

One victim told Birmingham Crown Court he had "carried" Mr Robinson's face with him ever since being assaulted.

Robinson was extradited from the US in August last year.

He had worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry until the mid-1980s, when he moved to California.


Sentencing him, Judge Patrick Thomas QC said Robinson was "devious and manipulative".

"The offences you committed were unimaginably wicked and caused immense and long-lasting - we can only hope not permanent - damage to the six victims.

"You used, you abused your position of trust, your position of authority and total trust within the communities that you moved to and from
Judge Thomas said of Robinson's targeting of the boys: "You enjoyed doing your best to habituate them, to groom them into accepting what you did to them.

"You were, and are, sufficiently devious, manipulative and bold to have got away with a highly risky sequence of sexual encounters over a period of 25 years."

He also criticised Robinson for refusing to return to the UK to face his accusers, saying he believed he was beyond the reach of the law.

Ya want me to post any more paul?

You can post as much as you want. I've already said its a scandal and the Catholic laity wouldn't disagree one jot.

Once again the dates are indicative.


This is what you posted

I wondered why I'd never heard of that body.

It only has jurisdiction within the Catholic Church and within Ireland.

Perhaps we've got a better system in England. We wouldn't have such issues over here

You dont have a better system in england and articles like this proves you have such issues over there.

 

[pauldominic]

Perhaps we've got a better system in England. We wouldn't have such issues over here.

Just for you pauldomonic

Priest denies abuse of seven boys

Thursday, 19 May 2011

A former Catholic priest today denied sexually assaulting seven boys who are alleged to have been abused between 1974 and 1994.

Alexander Bede Walsh pleaded not guilty to 23 counts of indecent assault and two other serious sexual offences when he appeared before a judge at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court.

Walsh, who served as a priest in Coventry and in the Cheadle area of north Staffordshire, will stand trial on a date to be fixed.


The 57-year-old, of Church Lane in Abbots Bromley, near Rugeley, Staffordshire, was charged with the offences earlier this year after a detailed investigation by detectives from Staffordshire Police.


The charges allege that Walsh, who was released on conditional bail, indecently assaulted boys aged between seven and 16 on various dates between July 1974 and December 1994

-- Mon May 30, 2011 5:36 pm --

And another

Former priest jailed for 'wicked' sex abuse of boys
Robinson worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry An "unimaginably wicked" former priest has been given a prison sentence of 21 years for sexually abusing boys in the West Midlands.

Richard John James Robinson, 73, was found guilty of 21 charges relating to offences against boys, all aged under 16, between 1959 and 1983.

One victim told Birmingham Crown Court he had "carried" Mr Robinson's face with him ever since being assaulted.

Robinson was extradited from the US in August last year.

He had worked in churches in Staffordshire, Birmingham and Coventry until the mid-1980s, when he moved to California.


Sentencing him, Judge Patrick Thomas QC said Robinson was "devious and manipulative".

"The offences you committed were unimaginably wicked and caused immense and long-lasting - we can only hope not permanent - damage to the six victims.

"You used, you abused your position of trust, your position of authority and total trust within the communities that you moved to and from
Judge Thomas said of Robinson's targeting of the boys: "You enjoyed doing your best to habituate them, to groom them into accepting what you did to them.

"You were, and are, sufficiently devious, manipulative and bold to have got away with a highly risky sequence of sexual encounters over a period of 25 years."

He also criticised Robinson for refusing to return to the UK to face his accusers, saying he believed he was beyond the reach of the law.

Ya want me to post any more paul?

You can post as much as you want. I've already said its a scandal and the Catholic laity wouldn't disagree one jot.

Once again the dates are indicative.


This is what you posted

I wondered why I'd never heard of that body.

It only has jurisdiction within the Catholic Church and within Ireland.

Perhaps we've got a better system in England. We wouldn't have such issues over here

You dont have a better system in england and articles like this proves you have such issues over there.

Ok I see.

Your article demonstrates that allegations of child abuse are subject to the rigour of the criminal justice system rather than a slightly odd quango type organisation in Ireland whose powers are unclear.

The system in Ireland would seem to have some very clear conflicts of interest.

 

[Skashion]

"Why should my taxes go to subsidise church schools"?

A very loaded question. Actually its the other way round.

It is a state responsibility to provide an education and churches volunteer to provide extra funding. My parish has a levy placed on it from the secondary school for every child from our geographical parish regardless of whether they come to church or not.

I don't have the slightest problem with children being brought up attending church schools.

It's not a loaded question. The children of some taxpayers with no religious affiliation are excluded from some schools, sometimes the best in the area (this was the case in my area). They have less choice because they are not of that religion but they still pay the same amount of taxes. On what planet is that justifiable?

You may not have a problem with it but that is the reality and whilst it is a reality it is not a loaded question. Beyond that, why is it a religious school? Because there is more emphasis on a religion and on a religion of a particular kind. Why should any taxpayer from a non-religious family be comfortable with that? If you want your religious schools, fine, but pay for them yourselves and don't ask non-religious taxpayers to help fund your faith.

 

[pauldominic]

"Why should my taxes go to subsidise church schools"?

A very loaded question. Actually its the other way round.

It is a state responsibility to provide an education and churches volunteer to provide extra funding. My parish has a levy placed on it from the secondary school for every child from our geographical parish regardless of whether they come to church or not.

I don't have the slightest problem with children being brought up attending church schools.

It's not a loaded question. The children of some taxpayers with no religious affiliation are excluded from some schools, sometimes the best in the area (this was the case in my area). They have less choice because they are not of that religion but they still pay the same amount of taxes. On what planet is that justifiable?

You may not have a problem with it but that is the reality and whilst it is a reality it is not a loaded question. Beyond that, why is it a religious school? Because there is more emphasis on a religion and on a religion of a particular kind. Why should any taxpayer from a non-religious family be comfortable with that? If you want your religious schools, fine, but pay for them yourselves and don't ask non-religious taxpayers to help fund your faith.

That pre-supposes that the state is secular, which it isn't and even if it was, churchgoers pay taxes like anyone.

You want to put a red circle round aspects of state responsibility and deny alternative voluntary sources.

I think his question is loaded specifically because of his usage of the "my" word as if by implication he can pay them and then specify how the money is to be spent.

 

[BulgarianPride]

Ooohhhh the Irony behind that statement.

How's the engineering on the ship of fools coming?

My offer still stands. I could be your vehicle systems engineer.

bulgarian pride was bang on the money

Paul you got a lot to learn from this
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2 ... ger_effect</a>
and your reply to him endorsed the fact beautifully

and you dare to talk irony

any credence given to you went many moons ago

au contraire.

I've never claimed to be anything special or over-confident or any of those things.

I frequently wonder whether I have too many misunderstandings with BP.

At one point I'm agreeing with him on things like indoctrination and then all of a sudden he turns on me.

He also thought I was patronising him on one occasion when I wasn't doing anything of the sort.

It's okay paul. I am very cryptic and easily misunderstood.
When you "derive" why 1/x never equals zero, then that to me sounds and looks like you are trying to patronize me. .

I ask again, why bring your software engineering background to a religious thread? I am quite interested in the stuff you've done, honestly, but this is not thread for it.