A call for Patience and realism

[Colins Bellend]

Right then:

The thickness of a bar and we could have somehow sneaked a draw.
Neuer was dead and buried and I would have fancied us to score again.

Fine margins ...

The thickness of a bar it could have been 0-4

 

[Falastur]

Patience is the key. Pellegrini's only a "caretaker" manager till Pep takes over in 2 and half years after winning everything with Bayern. Our directors want the holistic system in place for then and only then will we start to dominate world football and wipe away everyone before us!

Would Pep want to come to us if we are a Europa League side by then? Or for that matter, if Ferran and Txiki have been sacked? Additionally, I'm still waiting to see Pep manage at a side where success isn't already guaranteed. Sure, he's just converted Bayern's formation in a very short period, but of all the sides in Europe I'd say Bayern were the easiest to turn into a Barcelona team. Doing it with City would be a far, far tougher challenge.

Europa league? Don't think so. Not sure we'll win the league this season but not even finish in the top four as you're suggesting? Mmmm as bit pessimistic!

I'm not saying we definitely will finish outside of the top four this season, but I am definitely not the first on this forum to say it's a possibility. In fact I don't think I was even in the first 100 people. Spurs are looking imperious this season, Arsenal are looking much more confident, Chelsea have started weakly but they have Jose and could easily start to grind out the 1-0 boring wins again, Liverpool are looking sharper than usual and we all know what the scum are like at finding undeserved form out of nowhere when they need it most. Even Everton are looking tough this season. We have a lot of big challengers this season, and we will need to visibly improve by quite a margin to be better than all but two/three of them by the end of the season. If ever there was a season to drop out of the top four, this is it, and if we fall out once, we will struggle to get back in IMO.

As for pessimism? I guess I am pessimistic but I don't see the logic behind optimism. Where is the run of good form going to come from? Our team is getting worse, not better. On top of this all, I just can't shake the pervading feeling that we have never really settled as a club at the top level, and that something about this team is just not right - like we just will never be happy or comfortable so long as we are pretending to be a title-challenging team. Even in the season we won the league we were falling apart, both the players and the fans. Something about this club and success just do not seem to want to go together.

 

[Ducado]

Would Pep want to come to us if we are a Europa League side by then? Or for that matter, if Ferran and Txiki have been sacked? Additionally, I'm still waiting to see Pep manage at a side where success isn't already guaranteed. Sure, he's just converted Bayern's formation in a very short period, but of all the sides in Europe I'd say Bayern were the easiest to turn into a Barcelona team. Doing it with City would be a far, far tougher challenge.

Europa league? Don't think so. Not sure we'll win the league this season but not even finish in the top four as you're suggesting? Mmmm as bit pessimistic!

I'm not saying we definitely will finish outside of the top four this season, but I am definitely not the first on this forum to say it's a possibility. In fact I don't think I was even in the first 100 people. Spurs are looking imperious this season, Arsenal are looking much more confident, Chelsea have started weakly but they have Jose and could easily start to grind out the 1-0 boring wins again, Liverpool are looking sharper than usual and we all know what the scum are like at finding undeserved form out of nowhere when they need it most. Even Everton are looking tough this season. We have a lot of big challengers this season, and we will need to visibly improve by quite a margin to be better than all but two/three of them by the end of the season. If ever there was a season to drop out of the top four, this is it, and if we fall out once, we will struggle to get back in IMO.

As for pessimism? I guess I am pessimistic but I don't see the logic behind optimism. Where is the run of good form going to come from? Our team is getting worse, not better. On top of this all, I just can't shake the pervading feeling that we have never really settled as a club at the top level, and that something about this team is just not right - like we just will never be happy or comfortable so long as we are pretending to be a title-challenging team. Even in the season we won the league we were falling apart, both the players and the fans. Something about this club and success just do not seem to want to go together.

You need help that's not being pessimistic that is out and out depression, and I am not joking either it's either that or your an out and out wind up merchant, but if you really feel that way you need to give up watching football altogether

I have never even felt remotely that way in all the years of supporting City and if I ever did I would give up

 

[Falastur]

Europa league? Don't think so. Not sure we'll win the league this season but not even finish in the top four as you're suggesting? Mmmm as bit pessimistic!

I'm not saying we definitely will finish outside of the top four this season, but I am definitely not the first on this forum to say it's a possibility. In fact I don't think I was even in the first 100 people. Spurs are looking imperious this season, Arsenal are looking much more confident, Chelsea have started weakly but they have Jose and could easily start to grind out the 1-0 boring wins again, Liverpool are looking sharper than usual and we all know what the scum are like at finding undeserved form out of nowhere when they need it most. Even Everton are looking tough this season. We have a lot of big challengers this season, and we will need to visibly improve by quite a margin to be better than all but two/three of them by the end of the season. If ever there was a season to drop out of the top four, this is it, and if we fall out once, we will struggle to get back in IMO.

As for pessimism? I guess I am pessimistic but I don't see the logic behind optimism. Where is the run of good form going to come from? Our team is getting worse, not better. On top of this all, I just can't shake the pervading feeling that we have never really settled as a club at the top level, and that something about this team is just not right - like we just will never be happy or comfortable so long as we are pretending to be a title-challenging team. Even in the season we won the league we were falling apart, both the players and the fans. Something about this club and success just do not seem to want to go together.

You need help that's not being pessimistic that is out and out depression, and I am not joking either it's either that or your an out and out wind up merchant, but if you really feel that way you need to give up watching football altogether

I have never even felt remotely that way in all the years of supporting City and if I ever did I would give up

Honestly, I've suspected I have depression for some time. But still - I just feel like we've never been comfortable at the top. There's always something going wrong. To me, it's just Typical City, always out there to screw things up for us.

 

[Anonymous]

Let's be realistic now. There was little or no chance that Pelle was going to win the chumps league at the first attempt. So the targets for this season would surely be to make sure we finish in top 3 of EPL to qualify for the chumps next season, and to get out of the group stage and reach say the quarter finals this year. There if we were beaten by a top club then at least we could be justified to claim we were making progress, and move on to next season.

All this speculation about Pellegrini is too silly for words and also way too soon. We are where we are, and we got what we got. By mid-December we will know better.

By 10th December when we close out our group stage schedule we will be in a better position to assess our season. If we qualify to move on to the knockout stage then our European season will be judged as moving in the right direction. If we fail to qualify or worse if we drop into the Europa tin pot thing then we will be judged as not improving.

By 14th December when we play Arsenal in the League we will be in a better position to assess our league season, as we will have played 16 games. If we are playing good football and getting good results then we can all feel more confident. Lets reserve judgement til then.

Let's be clear here. I am not saying that Pelle might have to go if we are out of Europe by Christmas. Every new manager deserves at least a full first year to adjust and start delivering, and we are not as impatient or as bad as Chelski (well not as bad as yet anyway). But I am saying that the plan may have to go out the window along with some of the assistants, and then make some tactical and player changes IN & OUT early in the January transfer window.

I am an optimist, but also a realist, and I always want the best for my team. So I hope we can do it after our unimpressive play so far. But every member of the squad must do their best every game (not just now and then). I hope Senor Pellegrini will be a great success for us and stick around for a few years.

 

[Ducado]

I'm not saying we definitely will finish outside of the top four this season, but I am definitely not the first on this forum to say it's a possibility. In fact I don't think I was even in the first 100 people. Spurs are looking imperious this season, Arsenal are looking much more confident, Chelsea have started weakly but they have Jose and could easily start to grind out the 1-0 boring wins again, Liverpool are looking sharper than usual and we all know what the scum are like at finding undeserved form out of nowhere when they need it most. Even Everton are looking tough this season. We have a lot of big challengers this season, and we will need to visibly improve by quite a margin to be better than all but two/three of them by the end of the season. If ever there was a season to drop out of the top four, this is it, and if we fall out once, we will struggle to get back in IMO.

As for pessimism? I guess I am pessimistic but I don't see the logic behind optimism. Where is the run of good form going to come from? Our team is getting worse, not better. On top of this all, I just can't shake the pervading feeling that we have never really settled as a club at the top level, and that something about this team is just not right - like we just will never be happy or comfortable so long as we are pretending to be a title-challenging team. Even in the season we won the league we were falling apart, both the players and the fans. Something about this club and success just do not seem to want to go together.

You need help that's not being pessimistic that is out and out depression, and I am not joking either it's either that or your an out and out wind up merchant, but if you really feel that way you need to give up watching football altogether

I have never even felt remotely that way in all the years of supporting City and if I ever did I would give up

Honestly, I've suspected I have depression for some time. But still - I just feel like we've never been comfortable at the top. There's always something going wrong. To me, it's just Typical City, always out there to screw things up for us.

If you suspect it get some help, no one should ever feel that down about something, as for the logic of optimism, it's just the flip side of pessimism they are both feeling about the what is essentially unknown, the turn of a card if you wish and they are both just thoughts and thoughts create your world

 

[warringtonblue]

The point I am making is that we came back at them and I will take all the postives I can from that.

Silva helped a lot and we could have sneaked another when they were correctly reduced down to 10 men ( don't forget Yaya was clean through on goal also).

Clutching at straws but we did a damn site better than Barca did.

That's akin to saying the rags took control once Cleverley came on at 4-0 down

 

[Mr. Aguia]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

Mancini beat them 2:0 at home last year.

With our "A" team vs thier "C" team. Come on get serious. Mancini had to go. He lost the dressing room (and the management) and once that happens you can't win it back. So unless we were going to replace 20 players, which is impossible and not a good idea anyway there is no other choice but to sack the manager. The issues were only going to get worse not better.

What concerns me about MP is his resistance to change. A manager should mold his system around the talent he has to work with not forcing a system of square pegs in round holes. To say after the game he didn't want to change the system in the game because this is what they have worked on despite it utterly failing is scarry. Only down 1-0 a change in tactics may have changed the outcome. Instead he continues with the status que, that's not working at all and everyone on the planet could see it yet still refused to make a single change until the game was over.

 

[Palerider]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time. We have been given a once in many lifetimes opportunity and I don't want to blow it. Every season is important and we cannot afford to waste one in the hope that it will all come good in the end. The realism is that having spent the best part of half a billion an idiot would have us competitive in terms of trophies. The role of our manager is to win trophies, Mancini was paid 4million, Pellegrini is probably on 3million. You don't get paid that sort of money to lose.

 

[cleavers]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

 

[waspish]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

Will not matter in the future anyway because we will be self sufficient in the next few years

 

[andyhinch]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

As the saying goes, don't panic mr mainwarring.

 

[Palerider]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

 

[waspish]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

We will be self sufficient we will not need Sheik Mansour to bale us out our put his hand in his pocket! If he sells up in 10 years not the 20 your fretting at it won't make any difference what's so ever.....

 

[andyhinch]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

I'd add the mighty man united to that list, we should probably stop pretending to be a big club.

 

[Ducado]

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

I'd add the mighty man united to that list, we should probably stop pretending to be a big club.

I could smell something as well (they always show themselves in the end)

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I'd be happy to be patient if I was 100% sure that Sheikh Mansour will still be here in 20 yrs time.

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

No I can't agree with this comment. For me, there is a real desire by all the players to take this club further. They communicate this on the OS and twitter often enough.

Hopefully we'll see a response tomorrow.

All teams are reliant on their owners, except maybe those owned by supporter cooperatives. I think Sheikh Mansour has demonstrated full commitment to City and the local area, much more so than other rich owners.

 

[citymad]

You need help that's not being pessimistic that is out and out depression, and I am not joking either it's either that or your an out and out wind up merchant, but if you really feel that way you need to give up watching football altogether

I have never even felt remotely that way in all the years of supporting City and if I ever did I would give up

Honestly, I've suspected I have depression for some time. But still - I just feel like we've never been comfortable at the top. There's always something going wrong. To me, it's just Typical City, always out there to screw things up for us.

If you suspect it get some help, no one should ever feel that down about something, as for the logic of optimism, it's just the flip side of pessimism they are both feeling about the what is essentially unknown, the turn of a card if you wish and they are both just thoughts and thoughts create your world

Superbly put ducado!

 

[andyhinch]

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

I'd add the mighty man united to that list, we should probably stop pretending to be a big club.

I could smell something as well (they always show themselves in the end)

Fuck, I'm outed. My own stupidity was always going to catch up with me in the end.

 

[Petetheblu]

Do you really think he's building that complex across the road, with the intention of bailing out any time soon ? That is what is going to make us fully succesful, and that has always been his plan, its where the club starts making its own money (and he gets some of his investment back).


There's some things I can understand people panicking about, Sheik Mansour isn't one of them.

I know all the evidence points to him staying long term but the pessimist in me still worries. At this moment we are totally reliant on Sheikh Mansour. I can see the need to play "entertaining" football as this will attract more fans, more TV viewers and therefore more revenue. I suspect the real problem is that a lot of our players don't respect the club in the way that they would if they were playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern and hence are quite happy to under perform now and again.

No I can't agree with this comment. For me, there is a real desire by all the players to take this club further. They communicate this on the OS and twitter often enough.

Hopefully we'll see a response tomorrow.

All teams are reliant on their owners, except maybe those owned by supporter cooperatives. I think Sheikh Mansour has demonstrated full commitment to City and the local area, much more so than other rich owners.

I Agree, it was Mr Pee the got it wrong formationwise and not the players, one or two of the players ended up making rash challenges due to the lack of ball retention. It was a learning curve.